WHats the strategy in calling an election for BJ?

Drakon

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The big negative of the Lib Dem’s is that they were in power when the Brexit referendum was held. They have blood on their hands, so to speak.
 

Duke of Marmalade

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Except they weren't - they were in opposition.
Exactly. David Cameron promised a ref in the 2015 GE, expecting that he would be continuing the Lib/Dem coalition and therefore saved from having to keep that promise. As it happened he won a surprise albeit thin majority and decided to quickly get his promise out of the way - and the rest is history.
 

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Ah, I stand corrected, thanks. If the UK electorate genuinely regret choosing to leave then I expect the Lib Dems will score hugely in the next UK general election. They seem to be the only established unequivocal anti-Brexit party apart from the SNP. Popcorn politics at its best.
 

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I think the Tories will get a majority. Nobody ever lost seats by underestimating the intellect of the electorate. Just look at the vote the Shinners and looney-left get here.
 

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Absolutely Purple,

And just to add - at election time - the public are more than happy to reward politicians that lie to them and punish those that don't! Added to that, there are constituencies in England were, literally, a dead goat with a Tory rosette would get elected and in the marginal constituencies, the crude appeal to very base instincts coupled with a moron of a Labour leader will probably be enough for a Tory victory.
 

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And just to add - at election time - the public are more than happy to reward politicians that lie to them and punish those that don't! Added to that, there are constituencies in England were, literally, a dead goat with a Tory rosette would get elected and in the marginal constituencies, the crude appeal to very base instincts coupled with a moron of a Labour leader will probably be enough for a Tory victory.
Point of order. The goat would have to be alive (see earlier hamster comments). In fairness, the same is true of many Labour constituencies also.
 

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The bulk of voters are not idealolists and vote for what they believe brings middle of the road government, normally.......
 

Drakon

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12th December. We should know the outcome on Friday 13th.
Hopefully there will be a majority government of some kind.
 

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12th December. We should know the outcome on Friday 13th.
Ominous!
I think it boils down to whether the UK voting public are more sick of (a) the Conservatives and their Brexit antics or (b) Brexit and want it over with.
Anything other than a Conservative majority means more delay and more uncertainty and re-negotiation of the withdrawal agreement.
A Conservative majority is a mandate to exit on the basis of the deal just agreed (and ignore the DUP).
I think, this is just a guess, that it's (b) and so a Conservative majority.
 

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Ominous!
I think it boils down to whether the UK voting public are more sick of (a) the Conservatives and their Brexit antics or (b) Brexit and want it over with.
Anything other than a Conservative majority means more delay and more uncertainty and re-negotiation of the withdrawal agreement.
A Conservative majority is a mandate to exit on the basis of the deal just agreed (and ignore the DUP).
I think, this is just a guess, that it's (b) and so a Conservative majority.
I expect Bojo to be dead in a ditch this Friday, if one can trust him :rolleyes:
 

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BoJo got a big boost with support from The Donald in his interview with Nige on LBC.
Great leaders in Nige and BoJo and a great country being held back by the EU. It's all going to be fantastic!
 

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It's all going to be fantastic!
o_Oo_O


Every paper is telling us that this UK election will be the most difficult to forecast. The IT has 6 possible results. They are like sports channels telling us about a MASSIVE weekend of sport evert second weekend. It's all hype and nonsense to interest the jaded public.

Here are some simple predictions.

1. The Tories will win the most seats.
2. Labour will win the second most seats.
3. The SNP will win the third most seats.
4. The Lib Dems will win fourth most seats.

The only issue in the election is whether the Tories will win an overall majority. They will lose seats in Scotland to the SNP, they will lose seats in the South of England to the Lib Dems. Although these two things are certainties, they are small certainties in total that's only 20 seats lost for the Tories.

Will the Tories take seats from Labour in leaving voting seats in the Midlands and North. 60% of labour seats voted leave, thats a lot of seats, more than 150.

This might happen en masse and the Tories win a thumping majority, or it may not happen at all and there will be no overall majority in parliament.

I think this is all to play for in the campaign. If the coverage is all about Brexit, then I think the Tories will sweep the board, lets get Brexit done is a winning line, if the NHS, austerity etc. etc. dominate the headlines then Boris will struggle to replace his losses in Scotland and to the Lib Dems.

Now isn't this more fun than Liverpool and Spurs
 

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What seats will Brexit party be running candidates in, and will they steal votes from Tories?
 

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What seats will Brexit party be running candidates in, and will they steal votes from Tories?
They’re targeting Labour seats in constituencies that voted Leave.
I get the impression that Brexit is bigger than the Brexit Party. They’d rather Brexit happen than get elected themselves.
 

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What seats will Brexit party be running candidates in, and will they steal votes from Tories?
They claimed that they would run candidate in all seats and I think that they will come near to that.

Recently they take votes almost exclusively from the Tories. Look at this graphic, Brexit party up Tories down, Tories back up brexit party down. The dotted line is the day Johnson became PM. From the Tory point of view he was a brilliant choice, as a campaigner if not as PM.

The labour / Lib Den relationship is similar though not as strong.

Screenshot 2019-11-07 at 20.17.02.png
 

Drakon

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The Brexit Party are going to field fewer than 300 candidates in total and will not be running candidates in the 317 constituencies won by Tory MPs in the last election.
 

Duke of Marmalade

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They’re targeting Labour seats in constituencies that voted Leave.
I get the impression that Brexit is bigger than the Brexit Party. They’d rather Brexit happen than get elected themselves.
Conservative majority now 1.63 fairly strong favourite with Betfair (the Duke has an insurance bet at 2.08). Combination of Boris/Dominic playing a blinder and Corbyn/Abbot/McDonnell etc. a walking disaster.
 
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