WHats the strategy in calling an election for BJ?

Purple

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I think BJ’s comment that "It is a day that many of us have dreamed of, a day when the Conservative party genuinely speaks for every part of the country." Tells us a lot about how much BJ’s One Nation Conservatism is BS when they were wiped out on Scotland and still have no seats in NI
 

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Of course Brexit went beyond the economy.

I just went by the vox pops on the various UK channels for the past year or so.

Whether they had voted leave or remain the overwhelming view in England and Wales was we are sick to the teeth of Brexit; just get on with it!

Get Brexit done, in a simple way, encapsulated how those voters felt.

Labour misjudged the mood.
 

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Am I right in saying that since WWII only 3 Labour leaders have actually won a general election - Attlee, Wilson and Blair?
Callaghan and Brown were PM but succeeded one of the above?
They don't seem to know how to pick 'em.
 

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Am I right in saying that since WWII only 3 Labour leaders have actually won a general election - Attlee, Wilson and Blair?
Callaghan and Brown were PM but succeeded one of the above?
They don't seem to know how to pick 'em.
They can only work with what they have. The last guy who could have won an election runs a charity in New York now.
 

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They can only work with what they have. The last guy who could have won an election runs a charity in New York now.
He would never be acceptable to the Corbyn brigade. There's a reason why they are working with such a narrow pool.
It's not random chance - they've designed the system that way.
 

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He would never be acceptable to the Corbyn brigade. There's a reason why they are working with such a narrow pool.
It's not random chance - they've designed the system that way.
I know. That's why the are unelectable. Only a small minority of the public are thick enough to vote for the hard left (or racist/bigoted enough to vote for the hard right) so they will never win an election.
 

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Thoughts from Norn Iron.
Catholic parties 37.6% of vote; 9 seats
Protestant parties 42.3% of vote; 8 seats
Gerrymandering?
Also 50% of winning candidates RCs; must be a first
 

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Thoughts from Norn Iron.
Catholic parties 37.6% of vote; 9 seats
Protestant parties 42.3% of vote; 8 seats
Gerrymandering?
Also 50% of winning candidates RCs; must be a first
Surely the big story isn't the usual Catholic/Protestant division. Both SF and the DUP got a bit of a kicking albeit the DUP to a much greater extent. The interesting story is the Alliance party taking votes from traditional unionist parties and winning a seat following on from the gains at local and European elections. Shows that the DUP's Pro Brexit stance was a complete disaster even among their own support who were looking for a remain party that wasn't Sinn Fein. Dodds losing his seat was the headline but to be fair to him, thought he handled himself really well. Unlike Foster.

Bet the DUP wish they could take the May deal now!
 

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They can only work with what they have. The last guy who could have won an election runs a charity in New York now.
Keir Starmer probably has what it takes. Whether he would be selected is another thing.

LibDems also looking - again from a small pool
 

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Keir Starmer probably has what it takes. Whether he would be selected is another thing.

LibDems also looking - again from a small pool
Starmer is too wooden but is probably the best option. Another Grammar school boy and a rich lawyer. He'd fit right in with the Irish Labour Party!
 

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So Cornyn is finished, the young student activists that made him labour leader were wrong, he was not popular, hard left socialism while popular with the media is not popular among the vast majority of voters.
The Irish government should take note of this result there is only so far they can push their new green environment policies , people will not accept extremism in any form.
 

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So Cornyn is finished, the young student activists that made him labour leader were wrong, he was not popular, hard left socialism while popular with the media is not popular among the vast majority of voters.
The Irish government should take note of this result there is only so far they can push their new green environment policies , people will not accept extremism in any form.
He was made leader by people who were "young student activists" 40 years ago!
New green environment policies... will you go way outa that.
 

joe sod

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He was made leader by people who were "young student activists" 40 years ago!
New green environment policies... will you go way outa that.
It was the change in the criteria to become a member of the labour party where you only had to pay a pound to become a member that elected Jeremy Corbyn. Then hordes of students joined and voted for corbyn like sheep . They were too young to remember the disaster of 70s Britain and the summer of discontent.
 

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It was the change in the criteria to become a member of the labour party where you only had to pay a pound to become a member that elected Jeremy Corbyn. Then hordes of students joined and voted for corbyn like sheep . They were too young to remember the disaster of 70s Britain and the summer of discontent.
It was the 70's socialists who had him in the race.
 

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I really wanted to like Joe Swinson but she just didn't have the charisma or delivery to take her seriously.
 

joe sod

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I really wanted to like Joe Swinson but she just didn't have the charisma or delivery to take her seriously.
I was surprised that she did so badly, I thought she was quite good and I dont understand why remain voters didn't switch to the liberals when corbyn was unelectable. Thats the thing I dont understand about british politics, in ireland she would definitely have been elected at least. But also on the other end of the scale the brexit party got no seats also hard to believe.
 

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There was probably a certain amount of concern that using the Lib Dems as a protest vote would let Corbin in. If you look at the percentage of the vote, the Lib Dems didn't do too badly. Their problem is that they could come second in a load of constituencies, and still not have anyone elected. In a PR system, they'd have a significant presence in parliament.
 
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