Who will form the next government? - The results
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Sophrosyne
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Brendan Howlin, who is stepping down from the leadership confirmed in an interview on 6.1 that the Labour Party would not form part of a left alliance. He said the membership were unanimous on this.
So a left alliance would require the support of all left parties, the Greens and 18 of the independents.
So a left alliance would require the support of all left parties, the Greens and 18 of the independents.
labour had their day in the sun and blew it by supporting water charges. people wont forgive them for that any time soon.
Forgive them for what? We should have water charges. But hey not in the country. We dont take to the streets over the USC because people are too busy working but God forbid we try to charge people for a utility.
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The water charge protests were not just about the charges, They were seen as another austerity tax. People were weary and this was seen as another bloody tax. It just happened to be called a water charge. I think whatever the charge was called it would have had people protesting.
To speak for you you don't need X5 or Land Rover drivers, neither do you need Leinster Rugby season ticket holders, you can do without the words of Landlords too, and you might as well throw in the Bankers and West Brits, you talk enough to speak for yourself, but if you're stuck give me a shout as I'm the best amateur character witness around to support anybody who is a good recruiter for the unions as you.
Salient observation. Has given me cause to rethink the conundrum.
It was the PBP that I considered would be most volatile in coalition, but if SF were to field additional candidates in a 2nd election, it could be at their expense.
That is something to focus the mind.
I agree. There is a lot of posturing at the moment. The Shinners have been propelled onto the big table. Its only right they play the part of people's revolution, for the moment. And only right that FF/FG succumb to that perception, for the moment.
But when the media furore starts to dissipate, as it will when the public start to tune out, the cold hard reality is no party is in any position, anywhere close, anytime soon, to form a government.
Respect to Brendan, committed to providing a fair and just society. The Labour Party have good people, but they made the mistake of believing that the neo-liberal 'trickle down' ideology would provide the answers to social injustice.
They weren't the only ones, I believed it myself for a while.
I wouldn't pay too much store in what a resigning leader says, in fact I would tend to think the opposite is more likely.
Howlin is resigning on the basis of election results, not on the basis that he now accepts his principles were wrong.
What point the new Labour leader following the same path?
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I don’t see any danger of the ‘Ra getting any share of power down here. The center left have had the luxury of fighting it out between them in a Tweedle Dee contest for ever. The luxury is now gone. They will unite to stop the looney left 32 county socialist republicans getting traction. The center left are in a huge majority, only disguised by the faux rivalry.
Posting this from an Independent article...
In an early sign of the difficulties in forming a left-wing government, the party called Solidarity issued a statement yesterday clarifying that it did not attend a meeting with Sinn Féin. "The meeting today is just a meeting of the People Before Profit component of Solidarity - People Before Profit, with Sinn Féin, arranged between the two parties themselves," it said. Solidarity currently only has one TD, Mick Barry.
In an early sign of the difficulties in forming a left-wing government, the party called Solidarity issued a statement yesterday clarifying that it did not attend a meeting with Sinn Féin. "The meeting today is just a meeting of the People Before Profit component of Solidarity - People Before Profit, with Sinn Féin, arranged between the two parties themselves," it said. Solidarity currently only has one TD, Mick Barry.
Agreed.
Yep, but not much of a leader.
What on earth are you talking about? We live in one of the most socialist countries in Europe. The problem is that the apparatus State doesn't function well in certain areas for many various reasons. The mistake we make (and Howlin and most on the far left make) is thinking that money provides solutions to social injustice.
Labour made ridiculous irresponsible promises in the run up to the 2011 election, promising this and that and they other.
Eamon Gilmore and Pat Rabbite didn't care what lies they told as long as they got elected and got their cabinet seats and pensions.
The backfire on them was inevitable.
The Democratic Left \ Workers Party destroyed Labour from within.
Eamon Gilmore and Pat Rabbite didn't care what lies they told as long as they got elected and got their cabinet seats and pensions.
The backfire on them was inevitable.
The Democratic Left \ Workers Party destroyed Labour from within.
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elacsaplau
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WolfeTone,
What are you talking about? Doesn't Firefly live in a different country? Come to think of it, how does the seamless border between the People's Republic and the Free State actually work? Has the solution to Brexit been staring us in the face all along?! How could Coveney, one of our own like fella, have missed it?
What are you talking about? Doesn't Firefly live in a different country? Come to think of it, how does the seamless border between the People's Republic and the Free State actually work? Has the solution to Brexit been staring us in the face all along?! How could Coveney, one of our own like fella, have missed it?
So people are protesting that by voting 'Ra, who's history in power in the north show they only increase such charges???
Probably but aren't utility charges better than taxes on work?
I think the government might have gotten it over the line if it had been a public utility... the future of the mongrel semi-state they stitched together looked to be sell off and huge increase in charges into the future. They wanted it to be a semi-state so they could get its borrowings off the government's books. Aside from the "cant pay wont pay brigade", there wasn't public confidence in Irish Water.
At this stage water charges have been abolished three times in some shape or form, whatever sense a proper utility with fair charges might make - it just ain't going to stick here.
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My 'Like' function has been turned off, I will have to contend with smileys.
You were obviously too liberal with your smileys. Did you ever figure that action would be required to curtail your excessive liberalism?
Yep, so working people will continue to pay for their water costs through payroll taxes but they'll also continue to pay their neighbours water charges as well. The cost to the State of delivering water hasn't changed and the cost of upgrading our Victorian water infrastructure also hasn't changed.
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