the union leaders go back to their six fiigure salaries
At least Deiseblue has had the courage to stand up and be counted rather than lurk behind the net curtains in suburbia, hunched-over and wringing their hands Gollum-like and counting their 'blessings', 'No recession here, slurp, slurp, gargle'. 'We hates them, the filthy Begg-inz, slurp, slurp, gargle'.
What an appalling conclusion to draw! To say that those who didn't want to march under a union banner, the self same unions played their own part in the destruction of the economy,through the partnership process. Union "leaders" were happy to drink pints of Bass with Bertie and his cronies, whilst they sought for a place at the trough. With their massive salaries, and fees for sitting on the boards of quangos. And,let's not forget the questionable dealings of Siptu with the HSE funds...
To say that anyone who is not with the union is against what is happening in the country is unfair ,unjust,uncalled for and untrue.
Your implication that those who didn't march are drinking behind their net curtains and wringing their hands is a very odd conclusion to draw.
How come only around 1% of Ireland's population turned up? How come the union members/families/comrades etc failed to turn up- if they all agree that the unions are so wonderful..
I would guess that lots of us have issues with how the economy has been run and angry with the government, and yet were not prepared to march under a union banner,and that is our right.It does not mean that we are drinking behind our net curtains..!! Why would people march with those who played a major part in the creation of this disaster?
I've no time for the self-serving unions either but what it came down to today was an opportunity to get out in front of the the government, the media and the world indifferent of your affiliations and be counted.
The majority of people including union members , families,and comrades didn't take that opportunity and you have to question, why?
Jack O connor was in fact booed by some of the marchers today,what was their message to him?
I would hazard a guess that a march not led by vested interests,would have had[/I] a much larger turn out..
If you don't stand up for something then you'll fall for anything. Hat off to you Deiseblue, you filthy little civil servant, I admire your backbone.
There are many other ways of standing up for something,than under a union banner and once again the proof was in the numbers today.
Say for example, that you fundamentally disagree with Sinn Fein, and that they had organised a march in your local area about drug dealing,would you be prepared to march with them?
Personally I have my values and would not compromise them by marching under a banner when I fundamentally disagree with what they stand for in the first place..
I have a sister who is a public servant, and in-laws who are public servants,one of my family has lost his job,some of my family are in negative equity,several of them are union members,NOT ONE of them marched today..
I would think the above is fairly representative of most families around ...50000 is approx 1% of the population, and is equivalent to approx 5% of Dublin's population.....hardly a ringing endorsement,,,,,the unions have done enough damage already....they should join Bertie in his cupboard.....
At least Deiseblue has had the courage to stand up and be counted rather than lurk behind the net curtains in suburbia, hunched-over and wringing their hands Gollum-like and counting their 'blessings', 'No recession here, slurp, slurp, gargle'. 'We hates them, the filthy Begg-inz, slurp, slurp, gargle'.
I've no time for the self-serving unions either but what it came down to today was an opportunity to get out in front of the the government, the media and the world indifferent of your affiliations and be counted.
If you don't stand up for something then you'll fall for anything. Hat off to you Deiseblue, you filthy little civil servant, I admire your backbone.
To say that anyone who is not with the union is against what is happening in the country is unfair ,unjust,uncalled for and untrue.
How come only around 1% of Ireland's population turned up?
I would hazard a guess that a march not led by vested interests,would have had[/I] a much larger turn out.
NOT ONE of them marched today..
my entire working life has been spent in the Private Sector.
.Massive crowd on the march - hard to quantify but I'll have a shot - 147,824
They were asked - Read [broken link removed] and listen to the audio-clip at [broken link removed]I wonder what results would have occurred had each of yesterday's marchers been asked "What do you want to see from today's protest?"
They were asked - Read [broken link removed] and listen to the audio-clip at [broken link removed]
It is interesting to see people coming from non-union backgrounds to the march. The overwhelming view seemed to be people who just want to voice their anger at the Government
Comical Ali would be so proud. 50,000-100,000 got up of their asses and travelled from all around the country on the coldest day, and thedaras deems that the people that sat on their couches and did nothing 'have spoken'. It's really quite funny.450,000 unemployed, 100,000 students, half a million pensioners, and how many union members, ,where were the Families/friends,comrades,union members, bus loads from various parts of the country, half a million leaflets sent out by the unions,massive media coverage and all over the internet,and yet and yet and only 50,000 people bother to turn up..
People are not stupid, the people have spoken ,they didn't go on the march!! What part of we are not going to march with you do the unions not understand?
Like me, there were loads of non-unionised people there yesterday. Most people reflected the key point that this governement has no mandate to sign up for a deal that will affect us for generations to come. When people take an apathetic stance if gives the idiots who govern us at the moment a feeling that they can do whatever they like and cling to power and do even more damge while they do so.
You are failing to recognise the fact that people don't/didn't and wont march under a union banner that has many a dark cloud over it.They were sending a message!
Soon there will be a march against those at the helm..OF THE UNIONS!!
The people will make their feelings known at the ballot box,and once again I will say the message is loud and very clear,people are fed up with how the government is/has been run,but had the good grace not to march with a vested interest,if it had been a non vested interest it would have been much more successful.
Complainer;Comical Ali would be so proud. 50,000-100,000 got up of their asses and travelled from all around the country on the coldest day, and thedaras deems that the people that sat on their couches and did nothing 'have spoken'. It's really quite funny.
Now this is funny... 50.000 to 100.000 what a gap!! really funny...maybe that's how the country is in the state its in,some people would give your a hundred for fifty..very very funny,if it wasn't so sad..
The unions might like to think about organising a course on how to count along side their course for members who want to leave the country..
If the numbers had been much greater it would have sent a message across Europe... so when people are sitting beside their fire phoning the Whineline and complaining about the dole being cut, their pensions being shaved and services being reduced maybe they should think back to November 27th when they had their chance to send a message to this government and the ECB / EFSF / IMF.
I agree that a message would have been sent if the numbers had been greater..The big problem was and the unions failed to see this , is that so many would not go on their march,so it was doomed to failure,and an embarrassment,due to lack of numbers.
For this reason it should not have gone ahead as the impression has been given that the people are not that bothered,this is not the case..a non vested interest march would have sent out a message..the only message sent out yesterday was that the people are also fed up with the unions..
Over 100,000 people march (including myself) when George Bush came to town at the start of Iraq war, and only 50,000 turn out for a war which will have a far greater impact on us, our kids and grandkids......... we get what we deserve. ......
Who organised that march? Wouldn't have been Saddam Hussein , or Al Quada..if it had perhaps the turnout would not have been so good..
Like me, there were loads of non-unionised people there yesterday. Most people reflected the key point that this governement has no mandate to sign up for a deal that will affect us for generations to come. When people take an apathetic stance if gives the idiots who govern us at the moment a feeling that they can do whatever they like and cling to power and do even more damge while they do so.
If the numbers had been much greater it would have sent a message across Europe... so when people are sitting beside their fire phoning the Whineline and complaining about the dole being cut, their pensions being shaved and services being reduced maybe they should think back to November 27th when they had their chance to send a message to this government and the ECB / EFSF / IMF.
Over 100,000 people march (including myself) when George Bush came to town at the start of Iraq war, and only 50,000 turn out for a war which will have a far greater impact on us, our kids and grandkids......... we get what we deserve. ......
Roy
Just to correct one thing - although your description of me as being filthy is undoubtedly correct - my entire working life has been spent in the Private Sector.
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