I like the idea of a plug-in hybrid.
e.g. BMW 530E or Volvo XC90
Nice to be able to cover circa 40km on battery power alone but to also have a petrol engine to fall back on.
I’d say one would spend most of one’s time using the battery but it’d still be nice not to have to worry about range anxiety or not being able to travel to Kerry or Donegal easily.
plug ins are a cod , a good idea in theory but will die out shortly imo
worst of both worlds complexity of two drive trains and a thirsty petrol when the electric range is exhausted
As the OP thanks all for your contribution
- Is Diesel finished in the next 3yrs?
- Is hybrid a gimmick?
- Are the current Elec too early (im not an early adopter usually)
I like EV's and I think and hope they are the future but at present there is no way that they are a better driving experience. Better acceleration but other than that they don't come close.a significantly better driving experience in virtually every way to their petrol/diesel equivalent.
Back to the OP's question. If you have €60-€70K to spend on a car buy one that is 1-2 years old and cost €90K-€110K new. Never buy a new car. It is a complete waste of money.Don't know much about cars ...I have a discretionary car allowance ..can simply keep the cash but
after years of hard work and frugal living have decided I'd like use it for a premium car( 60-70K mark)
someone will have to buy it new for him/her to buy it 1-2 years old.Back to the OP's question. If you have €60-€70K to spend on a car buy one that is 1-2 years old and cost €90K-€110K new. Never buy a new car. It is a complete waste of money.
I like EV's and I think and hope they are the future but at present there is no way that they are a better driving experience. Better acceleration but other than that they don't come close.
I looked at a 530e recently. The range on the battery is only 35Km but most urban journeys are less than that so in theory it’s a great idea.
The performance is excellent and the car drives much like the standard ICE version.
The downsides are;
I would have to charge is twice a day. That seems like lots of hassle.
The boot is tiny, 410L (the 3 series has 480L) versus 530L in the ICE version, which at that is smaller than its competitors.
It’s expensive and I don’t know what could go wrong and how much it could cost.
Sorry when I say driving experience there I don't mean performance driving, I just mean for the average Joe plodding around like I do or I guess the OP here does. In the price range OP is looking EVs are quieter, smoother (no gear shifts, smooth torque curve), cleaner (no oil/petrol/diesel to be dealing with), more responsive (more torque at low speeds where most of us drive), you can pre-heat/cool the car from an app in the morning and most are loaded with the best self-driving/driver-assist features out there.I like EV's and I think and hope they are the future but at present there is no way that they are a better driving experience. Better acceleration but other than that they don't come close.
I hated driving automatics and much prefer manual. Is driving an EV comparable to the traditional automatics in performance or is it better? It sounds like they are much more responsive than ICE automatics but would be good to hear from those that have driven both.
Fair enough. I hate all SUV's and think they give a horrible driving experience. It's like driving a Transet but not as much fun. If you need it for offroad and for some reason can't use an X-Drive BMW, Audi Quattro etc then okay but one but they are smaller inside, have bugger all boot space, don't handle well, are expensive to run and are an environmental disaster.Depends on what you are comparing it to, if i compare my current EV to my previous diesel SUV its:
I hated driving automatics and much prefer manual. Is driving an EV comparable to the traditional automatics in performance or is it better? It sounds like they are much more responsive than ICE automatics but would be good to hear from those that have driven both.
That is a valid counterpoint to EVs. There is this myth that they are "clean". They certainly are not in the production phase anyway. From what I understand there are emissions in battery production, and, extracting lithium uses a massive amount of water. So it is not true to say EVs are clean. That said, I'm hoping to convert to EV in the next 2 - 3 yearsThat and the fact that half the Carbon Footprint of your cars occurs before the engine is turned on, more if you drive low mileage and run a small ICE car. This has been covered extensively elsewhere but suffice to say I'm not a fan of outsourcing our pollution to the poorest people on earth.
I used to travel a lot so I rented cars nearly every week. Over the course of a few years I drove dozens of different cars. How they corner, how they feel on different road surfaces etc all contributes to the driving experience. I've only driven a few EV's and nothing in the €70K bracket but in normal driving conditions I found them dull and boring. Dull like VW's kind of dull; well built and all that but just disappointing to drive relative to say a BMW or even a Ford.Sorry when I say driving experience there I don't mean performance driving, I just mean for the average Joe plodding around like I do or I guess the OP here does. In the price range OP is looking EVs are quieter, smoother (no gear shifts, smooth torque curve), cleaner (no oil/petrol/diesel to be dealing with), more responsive (more torque at low speeds where most of us drive), you can pre-heat/cool the car from an app in the morning and most are loaded with the best self-driving/driver-assist features out there.
To be clear I enjoy racing petrol cars and motorcycles, I'm by no means a purist here, but as an average Joe driver I cannot come up with a single driving experience benefit of petrol/diesel cars for the average Joe in this price range living in this country, but correct me if I'm wrong!
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