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Unsurprisingly, I don't agree with this. But if this was happening, wouldn't the best solution be to repeatedly hammer me with specific and detailed examples to back up the wild, generalised claims?
Unsurprisingly, I don't agree with this. But if this was happening, wouldn't the best solution be to repeatedly hammer me with specific and detailed examples to back up the wild, generalised claims?However, what's the point? You continually ask for examples to back up poster's assertions, even when examples have been widely published and are common knowledge. When linked examples are posted you ignore them and move on to the next circular argument, obfuscating issues and hiding behind a pretence that "there's nothing to see here people, move on".
I've told you a thousand times not to exaggerate.Yes. But playing whack-a-mole isn't a terribly enjoyable pastime. I get the impression that if i said it was currently raining outside you'd want a paper trail a mile long before you'd consider the possibility.
'The RTE News tonight mentioned about a family member visiting at Our Lady's Hospice in Harolds Cross coming down to the picket line to offer them his support'.
That was a quote from some SIPTU offical at the hospice. Of course he's going to say that. To see him and his members grinnning for the cameras was disgusting. What kind of people would picket people dying of cancer. What kind of person would leave their dying relative to join a bunch of SIPTU picketers who are depriving that relative of care? I don't think so, thats just a spin put out by the union because they are or should be ashamed of themselves. The same as those who picketed special schools for the disabled or those with learning difficulties or those who picketed facilities for old people. What kind of people are these?
Ah I see. Anything that doesn't suit your personal agenda is dismissed as a lie. I've just replayed the clip ([broken link removed]) and I don't see any grinning from Tommy Morris (IMPACT, not SIPTU) or any of the staff picketing the Hospice, but feel free to make up other wild allegations. Some of them might just stick.
Complainer said:No picket would ever try and block relatives visiting a hospital - that suggestion shows how little you actually understand about pickets. No patient, cancer or otherwise, went without essential pain relief yesterday. As was the case in the Mater, many of the picketing staff were off-duty staff, showing support for their working colleagues inside.
"Regrettably, members of the IMPACT and SIPTU unions impeded access to our care facilities and their industrial action led to the closure of our community reablement, pharmacy and therapy services alongside seriously curtailing our ability to care for our remaining patients.
The CEO says she has no problem with any of the staff's actions, but she has a problem with the picket. Well, the people picketing are her staff.
Some unions worked. Others picketed. I'm not sure how many IMPACT or SIPTU members would work in a hospice, I would have thought the majority of employees would be INO or IMO members. The quote, and implication, seems pretty clear to me.Ms Flynn praised the members of two unions, the [broken link removed] and the [broken link removed], who continued to provide care.
She added: "I am asking you to use your influence on the leaderships of IMPACT and SIPTU to ensure there is no repeat of the obstruction by picket groups next Thursday when they are engaging in further industrial action.
I know SIPTU represents a pile of nurses - not sure about IMPACT, perhaps these are the non-qualified care staff.Some unions worked. Others picketed. I'm not sure how many IMPACT or SIPTU members would work in a hospice, I would have thought the majority of employees would be INO or IMO members. The quote, and implication, seems pretty clear to me.
The non qualified care staff would be mainly SIPTU. Impact have physio and pharmacists.I know SIPTU represents a pile of nurses - not sure about IMPACT, perhaps these are the non-qualified care staff.
The point is that it allows the claims to be verified. This isn't me in denial. Before I ask for verification, I've no idea whether these claims will stand up or not. So if I was argueing tactically, it could be a huge mistake for me to ask for verification. The old lawyers line of 'never ask a question that you don't know the answer to' springs to mind.As Howitzer also said, whats the point?
If there are only two utility companies for example,well it has to be one or the other..dont see what difference it makes apart from a diversion away from the main issue...
The point is that it allows the claims to be verified. This isn't me in denial. Before I ask for verification, I've no idea whether these claims will stand up or not. So if I was argueing tactically, it could be a huge mistake for me to ask for verification. The old lawyers line of 'never ask a question that you don't know the answer to' springs to mind.
By giving information that the utility was Bord Gais, no-one gets exposed or fired, no confidentialities are breached, and the €500 charge can be verified as correct (see [broken link removed]). Now, is the charge good/bad/indifferent - I really don't know enough about gas meters to comment. I don't know how many people you would typically need. I don't know if this charge is regulated by the CER. I can see that Bord Gais is open and direct about requiring all of the excavation works to be done for them, so DonDub's little dig about the building doing most of the work isn't relevant.
So now, wouldn't it be nice to get equivalent answers to my other queries?
OK, sorry for taking so long to understand - I think I'm getting it now.No it wouldnt,as I and anyone else who has had to have a meter moved will have had to go to the companies involved to get a price as no one else is allowed move them!!
I understand dondubs post to say that the amount of work involved was minimal and did not justify a 500 euro charge,but that there was no choice but to pay it!
???classic WUM behaviour in The Depths lately!
The indo is not an unbiased newspaper, it is a rag and I for one will never buy it again.
I understand it's readership is dropping all the time now, hardly surprising.