Why is Bitcoin "digital gold" crashing right now?

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Brendan, you've dodged and dived on this over the course of three years of discussion here. It's beside this specific point at hand as to whether you think gold is not like bitcoin.

HOW is gold valued? HOW do I arrive at the fair price of gold today?

If valuation is similar to bitcoin, then WHY the outrage when it comes to bitcoin and not when it comes to the $9 trillion gold market?
 
Tecate,

What you need to understand about gold is that it gets dug out of the ground in Africa…..then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head.

If only some respected economic commentator - someone with a biteen of credibility in the investment game - had said something like that....


To be serious, an excellent question which I don't recall ever been answered. I won't be on any hooks - tender or tenter!?
 
Tecate

There is a whole thread which I linked to explaining why there is no comparison between gold and a bag of hot air.

I have not recommended investment in gold. I don't understand how it's valued.

I have pointed out that you will be saying in a few years "How on earth was I so stupid to compare gold with a bag of hot air?"

You can't come up with any explanation of the why BTC is worth $100, $1,000 or $20,000. So you just say "Well fiat currencies are in trouble" or "how is gold valued?". You might as well say that "Bitcoin is worth $20,000 because tulips were worth a house each at one stage" .

It's just more nonsense and it will take you some time and the crash in BTC to zero to appreciate that.

Brendan
 
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There is a whole thread which I linked to explaining why there is no comparison between gold and a bag of hot air.
Brendan - you set this thread out on the basis of 'digital gold' and a discussion in that context. That's what we're doing here. What you've just stated is your opinion - it's not fact.

I have recommended investment in gold. I don't understand how it's valued.
Ok, so lets have a look at exactly that. You recommend the purchase of gold yet you scream bloody blue murder at the notion of someone buying bitcoin. Gold is at $1,878/oz. right now. Should I buy? If I wake up in the morning - and it's $3,000/oz., should I buy?
You'll say that one has intrinsic value and the other doesn't - but besides the point that I don't strictly agree with you - that's not relevant here. Based on your recommendation to buy, I could lose the farm.

You can't come up with any explanation of the why BTC is worth $100, $1,000 or $20,000.
Sure I can - it's valued in the same way as gold....and if that's not to your liking, lets see if you scream blue bloody murder at gold bugs - I'll bet my last bitcoin you won't.

It's just more nonsense and it will take you some time and the crash in BTC to zero to appreciate that.
And you say that will happen in 20 years, right? :cool:
 
What you need to understand about gold is that it gets dug out of the ground in Africa…..then we melt it down, dig another hole, bury it again and pay people to stand around guarding it. It has no utility. Anyone watching from Mars would be scratching their head.
Indeed they would - as they would with some of the dialogue right here. People claiming that the cutting of bitcoin mining reward is not a reduction (!!). Meanwhile, gold has just become less scarce with the announcement of the worlds latest gold discovery (and the worlds largest gold mine).
 
Let me address that long diatribe very simply - tell everyone what the fair value of gold is?
And before there's any suggestion to the contrary, it's entirely relevant to this discussion.
Tecare, please stop talking about bitcoin just because you studied it deeply and made money investing on it, and start learning from those who wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole and fake laugh with grinding teeth for missing the opportunity of the century
 
please stop talking about bitcoin . . . and start learning from those who wouldn’t touch it with a barge pole
Yer dead right , i mean that's what I thought I was doing, awaiting the enlightenment but life will always disappoint Gus. I mean, I'm told I'll call myself stupid when bitcoin fails even though Ive said I'm counting on that as a potential outcome. :oops:
Still, it could be worse. Imagine the poor creatur who isn't open to all the possibilities. That'd be rough right? I'd hate to put myself in that position.

Speaking of the enlightenment, I had this on in the background today whilst working away. A smart cookie if ever there was one.
 
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I had this on in the background today whilst working away.
An amusing clip. I presume you are the little white girl. Let me suggest a sequel. A glass of juice is put in front of you. Then Max adds 2 teaspoonfuls of juice and asks you is there now more or less. You say more. Then Gus adds 1 more teaspoonful and asks the same question. You now say less. Wolfie asks why you gave that answer. You say because 1 teaspoonful is less than 2. Do you see what I’m getting at? Or is that just another diatribe?

As an aside, we will only ever be a mature society when we can depict the thick one in a clip like that as being the black girl.
 
Still, it could be woImagine the poor creatur who isn't open to all the possibilities.

Indeed. Red flowers are red and all that. This open esprit - or lack thereof - also reminds me of Charlie Duell from the US Patent Office. Back in the day, he figured that the patent office would soon shrink in size, and eventually close, because "everything that can be invented has been invented".

Go figure.

Pity that the Duke of Marmalade seems to be engaging in personalised attacks on those with open minds. I think that the expression of different opinions should generally be welcomed and embraced.
 
Irrelevant, but completely wrong.

Brendan
Gus is totally out of order here. Not just because he is wrong. He abuses his anonymity to attack your real life persona. If you have made comments in these fora they are fair game. Things said in your real life should be out of bounds. An offence compounded by his erroneously speculating as to what he thought you said.
 
Indeed. Red flowers are red and all that. This open esprit - or lack thereof - also reminds me of Charlie Duell from the US Patent Office. Back in the day, he figured that the patent office would soon shrink in size, and eventually close, because "everything that can be invented has been invented".

Go figure.

Pity that the Duke of Marmalade seems to be engaging in personalised attacks on those with open minds. I think that the expression of different opinions should generally be welcomed and embraced.
Straight question Max. Is the supply of bitcoin increasing or decreasing after the halving?
 
More than happy to answer but as the stoic Savoyard, Michel Barnier, has emphasised many a time - step by step.

There are outstanding questions on your side of the court. When Brendan and yourself answer these, I'll be delighted to reply.
 
That was a typo in my post. I have never recommended investment in gold.

Interesting. And tell me - this gold valuation you employed in 2015 as per the following post of yours, how did it work exactly? ->
I discovered the hard way that I know very little about commodities: I incurred significant losses on Tullow Oil and Barrick Gold (a Canadian mining company), believing about two years ago – wrongly as it transpired – that oil and gold had hit rock bottom. I cut my losses on both stocks in 2015. I have resolved to stick to stock-picking in future and not try to predict macro trends, whether in commodities, currencies, or in the overall level of the market..

Let us know how your calculation was arrived at - in that instance.
 
Let us know how your calculation was arrived at - in that instance.

This is getting beyond the ridiculous.

You will have to ask the author of the Sunday Times article I was quoting.


Brendan
 
More than happy to answer but as the stoic Savoyard, Michel Barnier, has emphasised many a time - step by step.

There are outstanding questions on your side of the court. When Brendan and yourself answer these, I'll be delighted to reply.
Just the sort of answer at which @tecate excels. No wonder s/he was quick off the blocks with the slap on the back. S/he also probably buys into your faux indignation at what you term personalised attacks.
 
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