DublinHead54
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And once again you don't like the answer so this os the reaction we get from you.
If you're defining 'actual adoption' as transactions like people buying coffee with crypto. That'll be the last step not the next one. Paypal won't make a difference. Bitcoin (or any current crypto) can't support that kind of adoption anyway as it will be hindered by the transaction limit. The lightning network or some other layer is necessary so that each individual transaction is not needed on the blockchain. This may happen in the future, but it's not close.How does it make BTC more obtainable for the everyday person. This is a step in providing easier access to retail investors but is it actually helping the adoption of BTC?
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This undoubtely will be the true to test to whether adoption of BTC will happen, so I am interested to see the outcome.
I've answered and responded accordingly thereafter. As mentioned before, you don't like the answers that you're getting as they don't fit your world view. Maybe I should just let you write them for me.Tecate, there was no answer, I am left pondering your stance.
Keep your panties on - I'm getting to it. I do have the odd thing to take care of in between times.I hope you can provide your thoughts on the article you posted per my question in post 595, but I hold my breath.
My thoughts are that it's not a panacea (no one such move implicating crypto is). However, it's a building block that strengthens the emergence of crypto.What are your thoughts? The questions I would ask, who does this benefit? How does it make BTC more obtainable for the everyday person. This is a step in providing easier access to retail investors but is it actually helping the adoption of BTC?
I expect Paypal to be true to form and that the costs will be Paypal-esque. However, that makes no difference. If you talk to many people that have gotten into this space about the first means by which they obtained crypto, chances are they will tell you that it was a bad deal (in terms of fees/commissions, etc.). They went on to use crypto more and became more discerning in how they bought and sold it. This represents an on/off ramp - and an opportunity to on-board new people into the crypto ecosystem.I would assume that there will be some form of bid/ask spread when paying with BTC to reduce settlement risk for Paypal.
So as per the explanation above - this is retail-related.What area of BTC do you think it will benefit the most?
It's not a panacea in and of itself but it is a very large and significant brick in the wall.is it actually helping the adoption of BTC?
I've already explained this to you. I have come across plenty that trade btc/crypto while sledging it every day of the week. If you're trading crypto and that works for you - good for you. But that certainly doesn't make you a 'proponent' of bitcoin.In the immediate shortterm as Tecate refers to me as a non proponent, I have just benefitted ~5% on this news. It is likely a good time to reduce exposure.
I didn't need this validation - but it's something that I think is useful to point out to you. With this statement, you're saying that this news has potential significance (which could go either way). It's significant - and that's why I posted about the initial (unconfimed) report to this effect some weeks ago. It's in the same vein, I followed up with other such significant milestones.This undoubtedly will be the true to test to whether adoption of BTC will happen, so I am interested to see the outcome.
If you're defining 'actual adoption' as transactions like people buying coffee with crypto. That'll be the last step not the next one. Paypal won't make a difference. Bitcoin (or any current crypto) can't support that kind of adoption anyway as it will be hindered by the transaction limit. The lightning network or some other layer is necessary so that each individual transaction is not needed on the blockchain. This may happen in the future, but it's not close.
The adoption that is happening is people buying it as a store of value. This is a list of the public companies and other institutions that now own bitcoin https://bitcointreasuries.org/
It used to be an empty list, now it's a very small list, but they own 3.74% of the total supply. how far are we into institutional adoption? is this 3.75% the peak for these type of organizations?
As of today Saylor is already 60m in the green, on paper. I'm sure todays volatility is worrying him deeply.
There is a difference between predicting economic outcomes and validating an economic proposition.
That may be an understatement. since less than 12% of total supply now remains to be mined, and at a rate of less than 1.8% of per year from here onwards.The use as a store of value is much more interesting, and if ~30 companies can hold 3.74% of BTC and with further institutional adoption, liquidity will dry up.
In turn this will grow the non deliverable futures market.
Speaking of which, I guess the list of governments holding reserves in bitcoin is currently an empty list, will it be become a small list any time soon?If we compare this to Gold, the reserves are held mostly by governments. So we would have a change with BTC reserves held by individuals (Corporations) which creates an entire different set of economics.
Personally I think it will be absolutely terrible for stability, as bitcoin is propelled to the moon with this as the catalyst in the next year or so.I am not really sure what this does for price stability, if most of the BTCs in the world are held in wallets and not circulating.
Do you believe that there's anything tangible to invest in (as I've yet to hear a single positive statement on btc from you) or you're smarter than everyone else and you feel you're benefiting from all the stupid people that have put some $ in crypto?
Lastly, you asked me to describe what my thoughts were as to how I saw the space play out with regard to bitcoin - going forward. I gave you my best guess (my current guess based on an opinion that is always open to adjustment). I provided you with my thoughts. Given that you've worked on blockchain-related projects, I'd be curious to hear your own view (whether that's about BTC, CBDCs or crypto/blockchain generally).
Personally I think it will be absolutely terrible for stability, as bitcoin is propelled to the moon with this as the catalyst in the next year or so.
In terms of Blockchain Technology, there are lots of interesting Proof of Concepts being proposed, but currently we aren't seeing a whole lot of adoption, I think the cost of implementation for corporations will out weigh the benefits.
Could your share your source please?Indeed, there was a huge drop in venture capital funding for blockchain projects over the last year or two as the early hype and enthusiasm didn't bear fruit. There was over $4B invested via VCs in 2018, but very little actually making it to market.
Could your share your source please?
Thank you
There are a number of platforms that report on VC investment, CBInsight make some of that available without subscription and do regular features on the blockchain space.
Sept. 2017: JPMorgan's Jaime Dimon - "Bitcoin is a fraud and will blow up".
Feb. 2019: JPMorgan launches its own stablecoin.
23 Oct. 2020: JPMorgan in a note to investors - "The potential long-term upside for bitcoin is considerable as it competes more intensely with gold as an 'alternative' currency we believe, given that Millenials would become over time a more important component of investors' universe".
As you can see, there's a link to the article by Business Insider (which isn't a crypto publication). There's no sign of the note itself. As something that wasn't destined for broader dispersal, perhaps they can't publish a copy of the actual note itself.Have you got the actual report? Interested in reading.
As you can see, there's a link to the article by Business Insider (which isn't a crypto publication). There's no sign of the note itself. As something that wasn't destined for broader dispersal, perhaps they can't publish a copy of the actual note itself.
EDIT - This seems to be it -> here.
A couple of other take-aways:
"The market cap of bitcoin would have to rise 10 times from here to match the total private sector investment to gold via ETFs or bars and coins".
"We believe the market value of cryptocurrencies could eventually rise beyond what could be justified by only valuing them as a store of wealth. Cryptocurrencies derive value not only because they serve as stores of wealth but also due to their utility as means of payment."
It is interesting - and it seems to make sense. It's difficult for many to get past the idea of a digital currency rather than a physical currency. From millennial down, that demographic is going to be much more comfortable with and accepting of digital currencies. JPMorgan's Panigirtzoglou referred to precisely that notion back in August -> Bloomberg: 'Older Investors Go for Gold, Younger Ones Bitcoin' .Interesting that he has called out millennials as one of the reasons for the potential long term. This is one of the first articles I've seen consider a social aspect.
From millenial down, that demographic is going to be much more comfortable with and accepting of digital currencies.
Many got burnt due to over-exuberance in the dot com crash. However, in citing that example Brendan, you've never acknowledged the incredible technology that came out of it or the gains made by those that had backed (or went on to back) technological behemoths such as google, etc.As indeed they were with the dot.com boom and any other fashionable hot air.
I don't have any issue whatsoever with the suggestion of a need for caution. What I do take issue with is the consistent claim that there isn't one single tangible advantage to decentralised cryptocurrency. That doesn't make for a reasonable interpretation of it to my mind.You will just have to get burnt to realise that this is all nonsense.
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