Warning to landlords considering HAP tenants

robert 200 said:
You are 100% correct Gordon. When the "happers" turn nasty Bronte will change her tune
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I am a landlord myself the biggest problem is with the Council requirements rather than tenants at least that is the feedback I get from landlords when HAP gets talked about,


Landlords who do not bother vetting tenants correctly is a bigger problem, a large deposit and both tenant and landlord understanding why is is required and it will be given back at end of tenancy ,

As a landlord myself I have seen more landlords messing tenants around at the end of tenancy than tenants messing landlords around when it comes to returning deposit,
 
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That’s all fine and dandy, once nobody disputes the argument that, in aggregate, people on social welfare are generally more troublesome.
 
Bronte said:
There is nothing outrageous here, if your tenant stops paying his portion of the rent to the city council then HAP stops paying. It's the very same as if a normal tenant stopped paying. No difference.
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The difference is the deposit. The incentive for a regular tenant to continue paying rent is to get their deposit back, that simply does not exist for a HAP tenant. Let’s at least keep this debate grounded in fact, even if we cannot seem to keep it grounded in civility.

Gordon Gekko said:
Except the State is, on the one hand, compelling landlords to take in deadbeats via HAP
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Having met a good number of HAP tenants as a landlord, not a single one of them came across as deadbeats. I met lots of young people from difficult family situations who were working hard often supporting a young child or two. Personally I think HAP is very broken, it’s ridiculous the government paying rent for high-end properties and further overheating a market, but I think you should remember these are real people and calling them deadbeats is rather unfair and ignorant.
 
Zenith63 said:
The difference is the deposit. The incentive for a regular tenant to continue paying rent is to get their deposit back, that simply does not exist for a HAP tenant. Let’s at least keep this debate grounded in fact, even if we cannot seem to keep it grounded in civility.

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What are you saying here? All my HAP tenant's paid me a deposit.
 
robert 200 said:
You are 100% correct Gordon. When the "happers" turn nasty Bronte will change her tune
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Ok, more than two decades says you're wrong. I already has one social welfare tenant try it on with me, in the High Court for Personal injuries, paid her the deposit back to get rid of her. Most of my current HAP tenant's are in dire straights. I feel sorry for them even thought many of them are not as clean a tenant as the Poles etc were.
 
Bronte said:
What are you saying here? All my HAP tenant's paid me a deposit.
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My understanding was that you get two month's rent up-front form the LA and one of those months is classed as the deposit. Are you saying you ask for a 3rd month rent up-front, paid by the tenant? As I say, met a lot of HAP tenants and spoke to HAP themselves as I was open to it, this was certainly not how it was conveyed to me.
 
The bottom line is - if you were advising your daughter or son about tenants , my advice would be to steer clear of all social welfare and especially HAP tenants until the government
decide to play it fair with landlords and seriously revise the fairness of the RTB .
 
I have a building that was renovated in 1999 I have a problem
Hap are askinythat I vent the charcoal hob fan
The building is 3’ stone walls !! No hope of going through it !! Any advice??
 
robert 200 said:
The bottom line is - if you were advising your daughter or son about tenants , my advice would be to steer clear of all social welfare and especially HAP tenants until the government
decide to play it fair with landlords and seriously revise the fairness of the RTB .
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Here here!!!
 
One of things I dislike about HAP that I read is how building regulations can damage buildings and make them less efficient. The rule that you need massive vents in every room is bad for your walls and makes a house vastly more draughty. Opening windows is perfectly adequate and if ventilation should be required they should encourage decentralised mechanical ventilation. It is quite mad that in 2020 local authorities are pressuring landlords into making their houses considerable less energy efficient.
 
lff12 said:
I think what you might be hitting here is changes to build standards/codes and PRTB/HAP standards over 15 years.
You will probably find that many owner occupied homes build more than 10 years ago wouldn't meet HAP standards.
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Very true. Id say the vast majority woudnt. A house without a microwave violates the rules. So does a curtainless window with transparent glass. Mad stuff.
 
Annanseo said:
I have a building that was renovated in 1999 I have a problem
Hap are askinythat I vent the charcoal hob fan
The building is 3’ stone walls !! No hope of going through it !! Any advice??
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Hobs should have non vented charcoal hoods. There is no need for them to be vented outside for most cases. Unless you run a restaurant or cook a great deal, I don't encourage venting as it wastes a lot of energy. Very few new houses vent to the outside.
 
RobFer said:
Hobs should have non vented charcoal hoods. There is no need for them to be vented outside for most cases. Unless you run a restaurant or cook a great deal, I don't encourage venting as it wastes a lot of energy.
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That is incorrect, external ventilation of cooking fumes is mandatory under the legislation.

RobFer said:
Very few new houses vent to the outside.
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What? How do these houses comply with TGD F?
 
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