Warning to landlords considering HAP tenants
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Ask them to provide the legal basis for this request.
I am not saying that they will not be able to provide it, but no harm to put them to the trouble.
Post 100 says it need to be vented to the outside ,still it would be good to see what they come up with,
Are you referring to houses with natural ventilation? I'd urge all home owners to avoid externally vented extraction hoods but I admit I don't know the requirements for naturally vented houses. For houses with mechanical ventilation like my 2017 build, you don't find external extraction hoods too commonly. I have seen many such houses without such extraction hoods. I just have a charcoal/carbon filter hood. Such hoods are wasteful. You can hook such a hood to MHRV and then get ventilation and also recycle the heat, which is ideal but it's not straightforward because the airborn greece will damage the MHRV.
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I'm referring to the building regulations.
The legal situation is quite clear, external ventilation of cooker hoods is required.
ok but are you sure it's not different for some hosues? houses that are naturally vented have different requirements. A naturally vented house requires hole in the wall type vents in every habitated room. The regulations don't require this is in a mechanically vented house. As they are instead vented to a MHRV or similar unit.
Recirculation hoods are widely sold in Ireland and I quick Google found a 2016 Irish Times article prompting them. Surprised if they are essentially not permitted.
Have been doing up my rental following last tenants moving on, vacant since mid December last. Zurich only covering on fire basis due to vacant status. Rang them yesterday to inform them that new tenants moving in next week, mentioned HAP status and was told Zurich do not cover rental property where the tenants are on this scheme ? Is this widespread ?
Im surprised it’s legal
Yes, read the legislation I linked above.
The building regulations provide the specifics of the level of ventilation required for habitable rooms, these specifics are achievable via MHRV or open vents in each of these rooms. Each dwelling must be in compliance with the prevailing regs at time of completion to be signed-off. So in your own home a recirculating hood might be perfectly fine, some MHRV system have the option to include hood extraction, but that can be expensive and problematic. due to the grease content The legislation for rented properties goes further than the building regs, and sets minimum standards for such properties regardless of when they were built.
I don't think anyone is disputing they are on sale, you are free to use them in your own home, the issue highlighted here is that recirculating hoods do not meet the minimum standards for rental accommodation.
If that is true, it is insane. My house does meet regulations in regards its cooker. Externally vented hoods are moronic waste of energy and just create unpleasant draughts and its a retrograde regulation. No wonder declining numbers want to be landlords. I will check your claim with an expert.
I'm not disagreeing, I've drilled 5" holes in mass concrete walls in houses you'd never manage an air-tightness test in just to meet the additional rental standards requirements.
You don't have to, just read the legislation above, it's there in black and white.
Changing my original theme when I started this post......
Despite all the negatives of having a HAP tenants, at least the silver lining may be that, in this “Corona” climate the rental income source is likely to prove more reliable than from those who may soon loose their jobs?
Despite all the negatives of having a HAP tenants, at least the silver lining may be that, in this “Corona” climate the rental income source is likely to prove more reliable than from those who may soon loose their jobs?
Thank goodness all my tenant's bar one is HAP. I was going to sell one rental this year with a family in it as the rent is way below market and I was sick of government interference. Plus I was worried about the family of two adults and four children and where they would go. And I never got around to it. Well there's no way in hell I'll sell now as the market is going to be horrendous.
I couldn't believe my ears yesterday. The government think's landlords should charge no rent if the tenant loses their job. Just how on earth is a landlord supposed to pay the mortgage, the taxes and the other costs. Madness. Sheer madness. And what will this crazy idea result in. Tenant's who can afford it refusing to pay their rents.
I couldn't believe my ears yesterday. The government think's landlords should charge no rent if the tenant loses their job. Just how on earth is a landlord supposed to pay the mortgage, the taxes and the other costs. Madness. Sheer madness. And what will this crazy idea result in. Tenant's who can afford it refusing to pay their rents.
Well then you get a holiday on mortgage and bills and all other costs until the rent is paid again as the banks and utility companies have said. People get behind on their mortgage. People get behind on their rent. We have hundreds of thousands of people who have lost jobs or on short time work in the past couple of weeks. Maybe, now is not the time to be worrying about mortgages and bills (Noone is going to have their house taken off them or lose their utilities over this.) This crisis is so far beyond financial. Look at the pictures and videos coming out of Italy. This is a battle to save lives. Of course there will be people who abuse every situation. Not much we can do about that.
A holiday doesn't mean any of those costs go away, they and interest will continue to mount.
Surely you are profiting from government interference if all your tenant bar one are HAP?