Key Post UK State Pension - Make voluntary contributions to qualify for UK pension on top of Irish pension

Am I correct that the online process is to complete it online and then to print and post it with any additional paperwork / information. They won’t see the online application until they get it in the post. Is that correct ? Just wanted to clarify as often online would mean that the application is submitted to them. Thanks.
 
If your case is reasonably straightforward, do the online CF83.

If more information / documents are needed they'll ask you.
 
PoundMan said:
It has been eight weeks since I sent the payments, but my National Insurance record has not been updated and still shows gaps. I had set a reminder on my phone as the HMRC website said the following:



Any advice on how I can follow this up with HMRC? Is there a specific phone number I should call, for example?
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partnership said:
I rang and they said it is taking 39 weeks to update. I paid in April and not updated. We have to trust it will be okay but it is hard not to worry.
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DannyBoyD said:
As long as you have your proof of payment, I wouldn't stress too much.

Way back 40 pages ago, I recommended a paper file & keep hard copies of everything. Print off your annual payment confirmations and add those to your file.

Don't rely solely on email, your laptop, cloud, whatever.
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Should I just hold out for the full 39 weeks or is there a number I need to call in order to get confirmation that they actually received my payments?
 
I’ve just received my letter from UK and I can buy back years to add to 10 I had. I hope to continue to buy back years to get to 35 needed. In addition I should get a full contributory Irish pension -I wish to retire at 62 in a couple of years and have been working in Ireland since 1995. Please can I ask if I will be taxed on my uk state pension. I assume only the Irish one is not taxed. Thank you.
 
magscollins said:
Am I correct that the online process is to complete it online and then to print and post it with any additional paperwork / information. They won’t see the online application until they get it in the post. Is that correct ? Just wanted to clarify as often online would mean that the application is submitted to them. Thanks.
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You can submit it directly online if you have the Gateway account set up, and it will be processed faster:

gov.uk/guidance/ apply-to-pay-voluntary-national-insurance-contributions-when-abroad-cf83

(I have to break the link up to be allowed to post it - remove the space to get it working again).
 
Kaff2504 said:
I’ve just received my letter from UK and I can buy back years to add to 10 I had. I hope to continue to buy back years to get to 35 needed. In addition I should get a full contributory Irish pension -I wish to retire at 62 in a couple of years and have been working in Ireland since 1995. Please can I ask if I will be taxed on my uk state pension. I assume only the Irish one is not taxed. Thank you.
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As far as I'm aware, you'll be taxed on both. They will be paid to you gross, but it's all taxable income, so tax code would be adjusted in order to collect the tax due.
 
Thanks for letting me know. I didn’t realise the Irish state pension was taxable- feel stupid! I should have anticipated tax being owed on everything I get
 
Kev1964 said:
It seems from your post above that you answered yes to this question .... do you know if the DSP contacted the UK for details of your UK NICS record or not?
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Yes, i answered yes, and I expected a query from them on my UK work record, and whether i would claim separately or add to my irish record, given all the info available about this. They may have enquired from UK and would have found out I was in the process of applying for a separate UK pension. I only got one reply stating my Irish pension entitlement, which was less than the full one due to missing years.

Regarding buying more UK contributions than you need, I somehow doubt you can use 35 for a UK pension and carryover the rest to top up your Irish pension. However, thats a question to ask a person in the Irish pension service.
 
DannyBoyD said:
If your case is reasonably straightforward, do the online CF83.

If more information / documents are needed they'll ask you.
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Ok fab thanks. Just that it said I needed to print off and sign and post. I think I made a small mistake on one date. Can I redo online or maybe just amend / correct the postal one. Also could not get all my work history into the online version. I think I didn’t do within my account so will redo logged in.
 
Stitcher said:
Yes, i answered yes, and I expected a query from them on my UK work record, and whether i would claim separately or add to my irish record, given all the info available about this. They may have enquired from UK and would have found out I was in the process of applying for a separate UK pension. I only got one reply stating my Irish pension entitlement, which was less than the full one due to missing years.

Regarding buying more UK contributions than you need, I somehow doubt you can use 35 for a UK pension and carryover the rest to top up your Irish pension. However, thats a question to ask a person in the Irish pension service.
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Thanks for sharing your experience. It’s genuinely interesting.

I concluded some time ago that I can’t add to my Irish state pension with surplus NICS. Of course I’d love to be proved wrong.

May I ask one further question please? As I explained earlier the DSP has a formula to calculate an Irish pension benefit amount taking your NICS record into account.

Did you see any evidence of this in your case eg did they share the various benefit amounts under the range of formulas open to them ….eg….TCA = €xxx.xx, Average = €xxx.xx, etc…..or just inform you of the actual amount and you have to assume that they did everything they could to maximise your pension?
 
No, they didn't, but I had calculated it myself based on my average contributions over my working life and that figure (cant remember) rs. That entitled me to the 20-29 years band.
 
Given that the pension entitlement under the average rule is very generous, it is highly unlikely that the alternative pro-rata calculation gives a better result in most cases when taking foreign (EU or UK) national insurance into account

As the Total Contribution Account comes into force that may change
 
magscollins said:
Ok fab thanks. Just that it said I needed to print off and sign and post. I think I made a small mistake on one date. Can I redo online or maybe just amend / correct the postal one. Also could not get all my work history into the online version. I think I didn’t do within my account so will redo logged in.
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Thanks all. Redid it after I logged in and it is now submitted. Fingers crossed. Thanks everyone for your help and advice. Seems so straightforward once it is submitted.
 
Just a quick update on timelines.

I sent my payment for past years in mid April. I didn't call them or anything. The online portal finally updated this week to reflect the payments. So by my rough calculations, it took 27 weeks from payment to online update.
 
Missbettieboo said:
Hey all,

I applied for a reissue of my national insurance number over 4 weeks ago and still haven't heard anything. I worked in the UK in 2001. For anyone in the same boat that had to apply for their NI number, approximately how long did it take to come? I can't proceed with my pension application until I get it.

Thanks
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I got mine 11 working days after I called them. They send it by 2nd class post and that can be quite slow. They got my address slightly wrong but the Eircode got it to me. I rang after about 10 calendar days and they said they would post a second letter. I haven’t seen that one yet.
 
magscollins said:
I got mine 11 working days after I called them. They send it by 2nd class post and that can be quite slow. They got my address slightly wrong but the Eircode got it to me. I rang after about 10 calendar days and they said they would post a second letter. I haven’t seen that one yet.
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There is no second class post to the ROI, it is Europe Zone 1 and all letters should be treated the same. If they didn't put a proper stamp on it then it is lucky that it came or that An Post weren't looking for more.
 
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I am helping with a case where an Irish person was working in UK until July of a year.

Was seriously ill.

Resigned from job.

Drove home to Ireland in July of a year. (year = x)

Contract with UK employer was until end of August that year.

The person was on UK Incapacity Benefit for the next two years, while living in Ireland. (year = x+2)

When filling in the online application today, it asked: when did you leave the UK?

Should we enter the July of the first year, when she physically left the UK, and went to Ireland?

Or does the fact that she was in receipt of UK Incapacity Benefit while living in Ireland make a difference?
 
Protocol said:
Should we enter the July of the first year, when she physically left the UK, and went to Ireland?
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Yes. Thats what the question means
Protocol said:
Or does the fact that she was in receipt of UK Incapacity Benefit while living in Ireland make a difference?
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I strongly suspect they should not have been claiming this benefit if not resident.

However, I am not an expert in SW, so I would recommend getting advice on this.
 
Yes, that is what worries me.

Although she states that she was genuinely ill, and entitled to receive Incapacity Benefit.

A quick search on Google suggest that IB could have been paid abroad.
 
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