Fair enough. I agree with everything in that post.If ye are insuating that im begrudging, let me qualify what im trying to say. First of all I begrudge no one anything they have or any wage they have if their employer has the resources to pay them.
What im saying in this thread is there is a demand side to the boom. People have to take responsibilty especially when it came to property specultaion.
My point on the survey on who has what is becuase there is a huge demand side to the boom and its when union leaders say we have noting to do with this mess, thats annoys me. Maybe they should be substaniating what they say. How do they know they dont represent property speculators (nothing wrong with property speculation) and causers of the boom/bust. We all contributed to the boom through consumption. I cant see how no one from 300K people had nothing to do with the boom. Therefore I have any issue with outlandish statements like "we didnt cause this". We all have to face up to it, all of us and now deal with it.
You make a valid point and one that the T.U.s have overlooked. Blaming the banks is fair and reasonable. But so is blaming the borrowers who borrowed huge amounts to buy.
The line I keep hearing from the unions and others is that this is all the banks' fault. Well, without willing borrowers it would never have happened. It is now time we all took responsibility for our reckless actions and suffer some short term pain.
They have a sense of realism for the current condition of this country that alot other public servant and the Unions dont give a hoot about.
It seems people can make generalities about bankers and politians when it suits your arguments but heaven help us if we make any about cops/teacher/nurses or any of the public service.
They are ALL making the country go broke or is that an 'assumption' or solid fact. lest we care...
They have a sense of realism for the current condition of this country that alot other public servant and the Unions dont give a hoot about.
So yes they dont display they give a hoot.
Its self explanatory.. wheres the confusion. You are aware not all PS voted to strike. Some care about the state of the country.
I do care and FF will not be in power for a long time to come. They will pay. Thats a given as a result of cowens mishandling especially as min for finance. I am not defending them but thats another debate. I am talking about what the country needs now re badly need spending cuts.
Dont know whats your pickle...
Its self explanatory.. wheres the confusion. You are aware not all PS voted to strike. Some care about the state of the country.
It always amazes me how some people in the Private Sector get very self righteous about Public Servants being prepared to take huge pay cuts but then start jumping up and down when there's any question of reducing their child benefit or re-introducing university fees or widening tax belts. They don't seem to care so much about the state of the country then.
We're not all earning a fortune you know.
Oh I know SLF. But to be honest, I'm so busy taking sick leave and claiming expenses and inventing reasons to do overtime and taking every Friday off to cash my massive pay cheque that I don't really have time to do my sums.
Well, the Sindo says so and everyone knows a guy in the pub who says so, so what do I know?? Also, if I was really dynamic and bright and hard working I'd be in the private sector wouldn't I? To be honest I only joined the civil service for the tea breaks and the pension and the automatic promotions and so I could fiddle my flexitime.
It always amazes me how some people in the Private Sector get very self righteous about Public Servants being prepared to take huge pay cuts but then start jumping up and down when there's any question of reducing their child benefit or re-introducing university fees or widening tax belts. They don't seem to care so much about the state of the country then.
On the radio a few days ago a woman rang into a show arguing the case that child benefits shouldn't be cut. She then let slip that her husband was on 100K plus per year!!??
... Labour (luckily) will not lead a government as their policy's of borrow borrow borrow to run the country, laden down the country in the 80's under Ruari Quinn...
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