We have flexi days where I work and we call them a "day off" as you are off that day, the fact you have worked up the hours does not alter the fact that for that day you are "off".
There is a very pedantic streak running through this thread regarding the terminology of time not spent at work. It's hard to make a point about anything without someone jumping down your throat saying a day off, aholiday, unpaid leave, etc are terms of spin designed to make the PS look bad. Get over the paranoia lads.
lol! - can they sit minus days?Can't imagine the Dail not sitting for 12 fewer days next year.
See the thing is I don’t know anyone who only works their flat hours, be they public or private sector. Working up 10.5 hours overtime in a week is easy, doing it in a month is a piece of cake and that’s if your week is 39 hours long. Since the public sector week is so much shorter it’s even easier to work up the extra hours. I accept that they aren’t holiday days per say but really...Flexi-days are time off in lieu of hours that have been already worked up. If you dont take the time off you lose it. In the CS you can only work up 10.5 hours, any more than that is lost. You can then only take one and half days off - again, this is time that has been worked up and staff are more than entitled to take it. Not all areas of the public service have flexi-time either.
Now, how difficult is this to understand?
What about the admin and HR offices of schools and colleges etc?Purple, schools and colleges may close over the christmas time but no public office closes for weeks over christmas? My office closes, christmas day, Stephens day and the following day. It also closes New Years day. Thats hardly weeks.
The majority of the public sector is not made up of the front line staff in Hospitals, Fire services and Gardai and they do indeed close.The majority of the public services never close - Hospitals, Fire services and Gardai.
See the thing is I don’t know anyone who only works their flat hours, be they public or private sector. Working up 10.5 hours overtime in a week is easy, doing it in a month is a piece of cake and that’s if your week is 39 hours long. Since the public sector week is so much shorter it’s even easier to work up the extra hours. I accept that they aren’t holiday days per say but really...
We have flexi days where I work and we call them a "day off" as you are off that day, the fact you have worked up the hours does not alter the fact that for that day you are "off".
There is a very pedantic streak running through this thread regarding the terminology of time not spent at work. It's hard to make a point about anything without someone jumping down your throat saying a day off, aholiday, unpaid leave, etc are terms of spin designed to make the PS look bad. Get over the paranoia lads.
See the thing is I don’t know anyone who only works their flat hours, be they public or private sector. Working up 10.5 hours overtime in a week is easy, doing it in a month is a piece of cake and that’s if your week is 39 hours long. Since the public sector week is so much shorter it’s even easier to work up the extra hours. I accept that they aren’t holiday days per say but really...
Just pointing out that goods terms and conditions are enjoyed by most (but by no means all) public sector employees so crying about hardship just doesn't hold water.Purple, this is a separate argument. If you don't agree with flexi time then why not open a thread instead of muddying the waters here?
See the thing is I don’t know anyone who only works their flat hours, be they public or private sector. Working up 10.5 hours overtime in a week is easy, doing it in a month is a piece of cake and that’s if your week is 39 hours long. Since the public sector week is so much shorter it’s even easier to work up the extra hours. I accept that they aren’t holiday days per say but really...
It's even worse than that. The pay cuts being proposed would have been graduated, having little or no effect on the lower paid. This proposal actually takes a bigger percenbtage of after tax pay from those on lower incomes than those on higher incomes as the income being forgone is at the marginal rate.The thing we're missing (that I can see) is that this is a union proposal to avoid unversal pay cuts. Yet they're proposing something even worse. It's been spun as both a government proposal (it isn't) and that it adds to the benefits of the PS. How does losing half a month's pay benefit anyone?
I don't understand how there isn't more anger from PS workers that this was the best option their representatives could come up with. Where's the cut in the higher pay? Is it a coincidence that the union officials negotiating this deal benchmark their pay against top paid civil servants?
For all that huff about the lower paid, well they've proposed a deal that puts the very same people in the exact same position as they were insisting the strike was about.
Indeed.But at least that top pay benchmark stays untouched eh lads. Nice one.
It's even worse than that. The pay cuts being proposed would have been graduated, having little or no effect on the lower paid. This proposal actually takes a bigger percenbtage of after tax pay from those on lower incomes than those on higher incomes as the income being forgone is at the marginal rate.
Have you got a link for that? I was under the impression it was graduated simply based upon salary with no exemptions.The recent pension levy was 7%, but clerical grades got away with a much lower precentage and the remainder of the PS got a deduction of a lot more than 7%.
Have you got a link for that? I was under the impression it was graduated simply based upon salary with no exemptions.
Just pointing out that goods terms and conditions are enjoyed by most (but by no means all) public sector employees so crying about hardship just doesn't hold water.
Flexi time only applies to the lower grades of the civil service i.e. clerical workers. They are also the most militant workers and conseqently manage to get a better deal than most because in general terms, the civil service management try to avoid conflict. The recent pension levy was 7%, but clerical grades got away with a much lower precentage and the remainder of the PS got a deduction of a lot more than 7%. In percentage terms, they are also probably the most over paid in the civil service when compared with equivalents in the private sector i.e. general operative type office staff.
Well, we'd prefer to stay in work and get paid for those days. But there's no better offer on the table. Reduced pay for the same working hours is the only other option.
You call enforcing a blanket pay cut on a particular sector 'pulling together?' Many in the private sector have also not endured any pay cuts.It's time we all pulled together and offered to help and a 7% cut in wages is a small sacrifice compared to what many in the private sector have had to endure.
It's time we all pulled together and offered to help and a 7% cut in wages is a small sacrifice compared to what many in the private sector have had to endure.
Many in the private sector have also not endured any pay cuts.
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