Let's be clear about something, a United Ireland ..
Secondly, we can't afford it.
Absolutely!!
Let's be clear about something, a United Ireland ..
Secondly, we can't afford it.
No, I'm pointing out that SF is run from Northern Ireland by unelected people who are unapologetic about their terrorist past and who still control a criminal organisation. SF is a political front for that organisation.I understand that.
What I do see is you seeking to create division between SF supporters and the rest of society.
Most Catholics dont support the church because it rapes children, but despite that. Most SF supporters dont support SF because it killed people.
Purple has already pointed out the falsity in this analogy.I understand that.
What I do see is you seeking to create division between SF supporters and the rest of society.
Most Catholics dont support the church because it rapes children, but despite that. Most SF supporters dont support SF because it killed people.
They'll pick up guns and shoot people and to think otherwise is naive and reckless beyond belief. 55% is not substantive, it would need to be 80-90% + as a minimum
Purple has already pointed out the falsity in this analogy.
Apparently Falls Road HQ including Bobby Storey have been a fixture in Leinster House over the last few years
Is he running for elected office? Does he have aspirations to run the country?
SF is run from Northern Ireland by unelected people who are unapologetic about their terrorist past and who still control a criminal organisation.
A truly breathtaking position, which I doubt you really hold. So you have no problem with Mary Lou as Taoiseach being answerable to an Army Council of reconstructed terrorists in West Belfast? What can I say? So we have sham interviews with our Taoiseach when all the while she is answerable to unaccountable figures in a foreign state. If that is your idea of a healthy democracy, do you think it is shared by the 25% who voted for SF?What odds?
This whole "IRA Army Council" is the stuff of yesteryear. If an AC exists, what matters is its activities. I personally do not care, they can call themselves an AC all they want, but if their raison d'etre was to make cuddly bears for deprived children in Africa, would it matter?
This whole "IRA Army Council" is the stuff of yesteryear. If an AC exists, what matters is its activities. I personally do not care, they can call themselves an AC all they want, but if their raison d'etre was to make cuddly bears for deprived children in Africa, would it matter?
So you have no problem with Mary Lou as Taoiseach being answerable to an Army Council of reconstructed terrorists in West Belfast?
are we going to be going down the road of lauding Volunteer X & Y, celebrating Narrow Water, mourning Loughall and all the rest of it?
I'm not sure how many of the 25% are really on board with all the slaughter, so by any rational judgement
I agree, indeed I hope, that the 25% SF support in the Republic especially amongst the young is despite their association with terrorism.
Incidentally, I have no doubt housing would be a lot cheaper with SF in government, a handy by-product having wrecked the economy.
Every year, the Irish Labour Party....
Ah bless, I don't doubt your sincerity but isn't it obvious that SF can't leave it behind, they absolutely must sew together all the threads of Irish Republicanism or they are relegated to raggle taggle provo terrorists. If I "just" thought they were going to ruin us financially I could live with that (....I've voted FF at one point after all) but the gaslighting SF are and would/will try to do is just too much for me to stomach.My staunch defence of SF is in answer to implied accusations that in casting my vote I am somehow complicit in a series of despicable crimes.
Wolfie I accept that SF are not alone in being answerable to unelected backroom figures. The British Tory Party is notorious for its "men in grey suits". And of course today the Real Taoiseach of the UK is Dominic Cummings. So my revulsion is not so much that Mary Lou keeps company but with the company that she keeps.But you have made the leap that MLM is answerable to an AC.
There is no evidence of this other than what you interpret legitimate political activity to mean.
To suggest MLM is being directed by subvervises, that she is not a capable and free-thinking politician in her own right is preposterous. It feeds into to political mud-slinging for sure, but has no basis in truth.
It is notable that all this 'bogey IRA' stuff re-emerges around election time. And now that they are the main opposition, I suspect it will be re-gurgitated on a more regular basis purely for political posturing.
All political parties have their bases where collective policy is formed and devised, including the input from unelected members. It is naive not think so.
Jaysus, we even have a government party today that was reliant on the votes of its unelected members from NI to participate in government. Look at controversy they caused - well, outside AAM, none actually.
We even allow the government of the reconstructed British Army terrorists to govern in this country. Notwithstanding their continuing cover-ups by members of its terrorists of mass slaughter of innocents, Miami Showband, Dublin/Monaghan, Ballymurphy, Loughlinisland, Pat Finucane, et al
But we could spend the rest of our lives on the whataboutery, or we can accept that while what is going on is unpalatable in various quarters from various perspectives, we voted as nation for this. We voted for prisoner releases, voted for the recognition of a partitioned Island, voted for continued British governance despite the continued cover-ups of murder and voted for the disarmenant of paramilitaries and the pursuit of exclusively democratic and peaceful means.
If members of SF are engaged in criminality, or the cover up of Paul Quinn muder, or any other subversive activities they need to be held to account, no different to members of the British State who perpetuate the cover-up of criminality or murders.
But to make the jump that it all amounts to some secret cabal controlling the views of MLM is Wizard of Oz stuff.
While 1916 was a suicide mission
the 1918 election was clear indication that the Irish as a resounding majority demanded self-determination
which was duly attained
at least it was not on a large and protracted scale as part of a wholly unviable venture.
Are you comfortable the highest office's of this State commemorating suicide missions as gallant actions? What message does that send to future generations of idealistic youth?
It happened. It was the start of something. We've seen what it spawned e.g. pointless border campaign of the 50s.
BTW, I have no quarrel with the principle motives of 1916 and WoI. The democratically achieved Irish Home Rule parliament had been usurped by the threat of violence from a minority.
I'm just not going to whitewash or ignore the crimes that were attributable to the IRB and Volunteers like most political parties, and their supporters do.
We're not demanding absolute purity here, just avoiding glorifying a 30 year campaign of slaughter.
Arguably, the subsequent Civil War suggests the goal, in the eyes some, were not attained.
The subsequent introduction of Bunreacht na hÉireann by FF and the territorial claim within, is testament to that view.
I blame Dev for the Civil War, the equivalent of his day of the "32 county socialist republic or nathan" merchants of the 70's. & then he sold us to the Catholic Church.....
I'm reading the Proclamation now, clearly it outlines how this "unviable venture" of Irish independence had already spanned several centuries.
Glory in death innit. Pearse was well up for this blood sacrifice stuff. There was a cabbage patch revolution in the 1830s I think..... My own view is that unless you've a chance of winning (at some level) there's no point starting a war, or continuing a war you've found yourself in. "Oh will they say we've failed." Well you have, but all is not lost, look at this shower and the bags they're about to make of it......