Gay Marraige For or Against

[truthseeker]

If it went to a national vote it would be probably allowed going by the number of pro gay adoption on AAM, so my opinion is hardly a threat.

MrMan - I have to disagree with this more vehemently than any other point youve made on this thread - I think youre dead wrong. If it went to a national vote I reckon that itd never happen. Not in religious conservative Ireland.

 

[truthseeker]

I don't think the other side have done so well at all they have not proved a single thing to me.

There is never going to be a 'proof' on matters of opinion.

Keep on yacking on about equal rights and all that and how gays are discriminated against with regard to gay adoption.

Interesting how opinions that differ to your own are referred to as 'yacking on'. Narrow minded?

I very much doubt that people would be in favour of such a move.

So we DO agree on something!!!

The general feeling is that there are loads of straight couples who are childless and have in my view much more to offer a child.

No - thats your feeling. Not mine. Or the general case.

As for gay men not being shown enough love by their fathers in childhood - if you can show me a scientific paper to back that up Id be well impressed.
There are a number of different theories on the subject, none conclusive.

What has been interesting about this thread (for me) is how some people are perfectly happy to deny rights to certain sections of society - because they are 'different'. It would seem that history has taught us very little.

 

[MrMan]

MrMan - I have to disagree with this more vehemently than any other point youve made on this thread - I think youre dead wrong. If it went to a national vote I reckon that itd never happen. Not in religious conservative Ireland.

I was just using this thread as sample, it would seem that there pro adoption side are in the minority on AAM. Maybe AAM posters are more liberal than the average Irishman that you seem to have a gripe with. We are traditionally a religious country but it is more fashionable to slag off religion and traditional beliefs than to live with the majority votes.

 

[MrMan]

As for gay men not being shown enough love by their fathers in childhood - if you can show me a scientific paper to back that up Id be well impressed.
There are a number of different theories on the subject, none conclusive.

Maybe we should wait until something is conclusive before we make a decision that involves childrens welfare.

What has been interesting about this thread (for me) is how some people are perfectly happy to deny rights to certain sections of society - because they are 'different'. It would seem that history has taught us very little.

I don't deny them the right to have children naturally, so this is hardly an issue that will alter society.

 

[S.L.F]

There is never going to be a 'proof' on matters of opinion.

I was going by a track record not by "let's give gays the right to adopt children because if we don't then they are being discriminated against".

Personally speaking under these circumstance I don't care about whether or not they are being discriminated against because in this issue, for me, the most important thing is the welfare of children nothing more.

Interesting how opinions that differ to your own are referred to as 'yacking on'. Narrow minded?

Narrow minded generally speaking "No" but when it comes to children "Yes".

They need an environment where they can learn about how to be a man or a woman that can only be achieved by having the mix of 2 sexes.

So we DO agree on something!!!

I must edit that post

As for gay men not being shown enough love by their fathers in childhood - if you can show me a scientific paper to back that up Id be well impressed.
There are a number of different theories on the subject, none conclusive.

If I found something like that would you come over to our side?

What has been interesting about this thread (for me) is how some people are perfectly happy to deny rights to certain sections of society - because they are 'different'. It would seem that history has taught us very little.

There you are wrong history has taught us a great deal that's why we generally don't allow gays to adopt...and rightly so

 

[michaelm]

Thats not true. I know of two single parents with adopted children (one international adoption, one special needs Irish child), and neither are relatives or widowed.

No doubt you're right. I was just basing my view on the 'Application for Adoption Order' which seems to be part of our adoption legislation, here.

If it went to a national vote it would be probably allowed going by the number of pro gay adoption on AAM, so my opinion is hardly a threat.

I think not. AAM is hardly representative of wider Irish society; AAM's membership is proportionally more liberal and enlightened than the general public.

 

[S.L.F]

I don't deny them the right to have children naturally.

I agree with you there MrMan.

I think they should have the right to be able to have children together if they want, what do you say?

Should it be an election platform?

 

[S.L.F]

AAM's membership is proportionally more liberal and enlightened than the general public.

Liberal certainly but why enlightened?

 

[michaelm]

Liberal certainly but why enlightened?

I changed from free-thinking to progressive then to enlightened . . I didn't quite mean it though, finessed now.

 

[S.L.F]

I changed from free-thinking to progressive then to enlightened . . I didn't quite mean it though, finessed now.

Yeah there is a huge bunch of people who live half and half they have kids, go to work, and all that but when they get near a computer they walk around with flowers in their hair singing "Somewhere over the rainbow".

 

[Smashbox]

Yeah there is a huge bunch of people who live half and half they have kids, go to work, and all that but when they get near a computer they walk around with flowers in their hair singing "Somewhere over the rainbow".

I love that.. is that what you do on the weekends?!

 

[Purple]

Ok, you're old fashioned. And "forced down your neck"? What, by being never mentioned anywhere? You clicked on the thread, you're hardly being forced into anything.
And try as you like, liberal is not an insult.

That reminds me of the time that FF decriminalised homosexuality and Jonny Fox from Wicklow (the TD, not the pub) was getting very irate in the Dail during the debate . A FF TD, I think it was McCreevy, said, “Will you relax; we’re making it legal, not compulsory.”

 

[Simeon]

I changed from free-thinking to progressive then to enlightened . . I didn't quite mean it though, finessed now.

Have you overstayed at the ashram in Poona?

That reminds me of the time that FF decriminalised homosexuality and Jonny Fox from Wicklow (the TD, not the pub) was getting very irate in the Dail during the debate . A FF TD, I think it was McCreevy, said, “Will you relax; we’re making it legal, not compulsory.”

Purple obiously hasn't

 

[mick1960]

I think the main thing is that children are brought up in a loving,nurturing,environment,which is stable,so if this is found through gay marriage and adoption I am all for it.If what we have now is ideal there would be very few children needing to be adopted.

 

[Smashbox]

Nice words Mick. I agree with that.

 

[MrMan]

Nice words Mick. I agree with that.

You agree that having parents limited to man & woman is the reason for kids being put up for afoption?
Nice sentiments Mick but there are far more reasons that lead to adoption.

 

[Smashbox]

You agree that having parents limited to man & woman is the reason for kids being put up for afoption?
Nice sentiments Mick but there are far more reasons that lead to adoption.

Re-read what the man said!!!

 

[MrMan]

If what we have now is ideal there would be very few children needing to be adopted.

There you go word for word, if what we have now (presumably that is man/woman union) is ideal there would be little need for adoption. That to me is a jibe at the traditional parenting set up.

 

[Vanilla]

Jeeze, are we still debating this? Somebody quickly- start a debate on euthanasia or something.

 

[Simeon]

Jeeze, are we still debating this? Somebody quickly- start a debate on euthanasia or something.

OK Vanilla! I'm behind you in that. One last big group-hug all.
Never thought that this subject could raise such dust. Oops, I've just given someone reason to prolong it.