I assume a barrier would cause delays in somewhere with much heavier traffic. See it all the time at tolls.
They could just scan the number plates entering and leaving and fine anyone who takes too long.
I assume a barrier would cause delays in somewhere with much heavier traffic. See it all the time at tolls.Automatic barrier system is best per Cork airport. No need to employ more people....
Suggest camera operated system Leo. Lets confine inefficient practices to the past!
Not really. Rules like stopping when the traffic light turns red, not parking on footpaths,It tends to be the totally OTT rules and regulations that get ignored. Rightly so.
Fair point. Perhaps if only genuinely necessary rules were enacted, it might engender a greater respect for them. Hostility to unnecessary and stupid rules leads to a certain level of contempt for all rulesNot really. Rules like stopping when the traffic light turns red, not parking on footpaths,
don't litter, clean up after your dog are regularly ignored.
The price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Civil liberties don't tend to disappear in a big bang. They get eroded over time. Basic frog boiling strategy.I genuinely marvel at how a discussion about parking etiquette can be re-engineered into some sort of sequel to 1984 set in North Korea.
I genuinely marvel at how a discussion about parking etiquette can be re-engineered into some sort of sequel to 1984 set in North Korea.
That's precisely the opposite of what I said.Seriously? We're going to legislate for courtesy and consideration now?
I don't see too many people mounting a murder defence on the basis of not liking to be told not to park in a drop-off area.Hostility to unnecessary and stupid rules leads to a certain level of contempt for all rules
Can you give examples of the OTT v non-OTT rules and regulations?It tends to be the totally OTT rules and regulations that get ignored. Rightly so.
Can you give examples of the OTT v non-OTT rules and regulations?
I generally see it as a certain type of person that ignores rules, not these people being selective on what to obey/disobey.
As stated by others, at Dublin Airport they could hold back from the drop off area until they get a call from arriving party. Instead, they turn up early and sit there on their phones, blocking space for vehicles dropping off passengers.
It is a drop off area, and not a pick up area. Drop offs are not delayed. Pick ups are which is why pick ups should go to the short term car park.
Brendan
There was a time you would be asked to move on... As someone said, maybe DAA are allowing the lengthy waits in drop off area to prove a point for charging and restricting traffic etc.There are very few hold areas where people can
I suspect thats because there's very few nearby "hold" areas to do what you're suggesting. Also plane arrivals and passenger disembarking is unpredictable. So you can end up being very early. No excuse why people don't just park. At my local train station parking is 3.50 for the day. People park in the estates beside it instead.
Which is why they end up having to bring in rules and fines. Because people do these things.
It would require significant changes to the layout to facilitate separate entrances and exits where people waiting to pick up would no impact on those arriving. Perhaps a bigger problem though is that there are many people who would still use the drop-off area for pick-up if they thought it would save them any time.Perhaps the area could be divided into drop offs and pick ups. That way neither would be delayed.
There was a time you would be asked to move on... As someone said, maybe DAA are allowing the lengthy waits in drop off area to prove a point for charging and restricting traffic etc.
For holding back, I agree there is not a lot of options. However, arriving too early is still easily avoidable.
For DAA, ticketed barrier or ANPR system would be an easily implemented solution. Free for 10min. Payment could be made at an area outside the drop off area, exiting the airport.
Easy. Non-OTT rule: everyone drives on the same side of the road. Necessary, proportional and not unduly onerousCan you give examples of the OTT v non-OTT rules and regulations?
Some people are like that, for sure. Others want to resist state overreach and mission creep, leaving the maximum optimum space for the exercise of personal liberty. Principled good citizenship includes vigilance against excessive state power and support for individual civil liberties.I generally see it as a certain type of person that ignores rules, not these people being selective on what to obey/disobey.
That's inconsiderate. No need to park up at departures at all. There's loads of little roads all around the airport where you can park up and wait for the call when your arriving passenger clears customs. The pick up can be as quick as the drop off. Everyone's happy.As stated by others, at Dublin Airport they could hold back from the drop off area until they get a call from arriving party. Instead, they turn up early and sit there on their phones, blocking space for vehicles dropping off passengers.
....There's loads of little roads all around the airport where you can park up and wait for the call when your arriving passenger clears customs. The pick up can be as quick as the drop off. Everyone's happy.
I dunno how not arriving early is avoidable, it's not like arrival sticks to the schedule, or disembarking or luggage reclaim.
The issue anyway is illegal parking. That the airport used to police it, now don't is the issue.
It's beyond your abilities to imagine how you might not arrive early, or you just want to inconvenience other people instead of yourself?
It's incredibly simple. Wait somewhere near but outside the airport, for example you could use the carpark at Northwood retail park. Have your passengers message you when they're through baggage claim so that they'll reach the drop-off area before you do. They wait while you make the short trip to the area.
I will give you 24 Hr bus lanes as OTT (currently anyway) , but you are unlikely to ever get done for it.Easy. Non-OTT rule: everyone drives on the same side of the road. Necessary, proportional and not unduly onerous
OTT rule. 24 hour bus lanes when there's no 24 hour bus service.
Some people are like that, for sure. Others want to resist state overreach and mission creep, leaving the maximum optimum space for the exercise of personal liberty. Principled good citizenship includes vigilance against excessive state power and support for individual civil liberties.
That's inconsiderate. No need to park up at departures at all. There's loads of little roads all around the airport where you can park up and wait for the call when your arriving passenger clears customs. The pick up can be as quick as the drop off. Everyone's happy.