I was asking if you would pass a picket that you disagree with or would you support you “comrades” (union speak) right or wrong.Purple
Think I have already answered this.
They are good systems in place for this. Hence that is why there are very few industrial disputes in the Civil Service due to this. Lets broaden my answer as you have broadened your question. What about the cases of fraud, assualt etc. People are obviously shown the door then and prosecuted (hopefully).
My apologies; I am usually quite careful to use both him/her or gender neutral terms.Finally as a last point, why do you keep referring to employees in the Civil Service in the male gender when the service is made of 2/3 female employees.
Thanks for the answer. For my part I would not be part of a union as I Believe that they are a cancer on society and the single biggest threat to the future prosperity of this country so I admit I am biased. That siad I believe in individual choice and individual responsibility so I would pass a picket if I disagreed with the reason for it and I would not pass it if I supported it.NoI would not pass a picket line. When you are part of a union, you really not showing "comradeship" if you opt out when something doesn't suit you.
Only once was I ever on strike and that was way way back in 1996 when Ruairi Quinn put an embargo on the Civil Service (without discussing it with the unions). At the time I didn't agree with the action as I could not afford it as a low paid civil servant. The action in this instance was a half days industrial action. While a lot of our colleagues in the same grades as us (who were not members of the union) passed the picket line, there was no reprecussions against them and the office in question was still open for business with no effect on the services provided.
The end result was that the unions neogtiated a cap on numbers which is still in place in a lot of quarters.
Thanks for the answer. For my part I would not be part of a union as I Believe that they are a cancer on society and the single biggest threat to the future prosperity of this country so I admit I am biased. That siad I believe in individual choice and individual responsibility so I would pass a picket if I disagreed with the reason for it and I would not pass it if I supported it.
So it seems people don't get the sack in the public sector, especially for being 'utterly useless'.
I agree that it doesn’t happen very often in the private sector but if there is a culture of underperformance in a private company it will eventually go out of business. This is not the case in the public sector.I can't speak for the whole sector. But I only know of one who was encouraged to leave which they did. I've heard of others being disciplined, but no direct experience of that. Also seen people get moved and retrained, for under performance which seems to work out. Have to say I only seen it happen very rarely in the private sector too.
I agree on big companies but most people work for small businesses and lot sof those go bust.Dunno about that. People can hide away in big private companies, and family members are often kept "busy" in the family business, or indeed, dictator style bosses can be highly inefficient, but still muddle along. Probably in every area you get people who aren't very good, but get enough business to stay afloat. Being private sector isn't a
panacea for everything. When contracting I saw a lot of very poor performing private companies, because you are often dragged in to firefight some problem.
Working hard instead of smart?I've seen a lot of chronic small companies and self employed people who are just woeful. I dunno how they stay in business but they do.
Working hard instead of smart?
Usually not. Anyway thats making heavy weather of a simple truth. You get people who don't answer phones in the private sector too. Sometimes theres a valid reason, and sacking people isn't always the right solution.
Ditto.
Rather than debating the whole private vs public sector repeatably, I'd much prefer to see debate on reform in public sector in other countries and talk about whats worked and what hasn't. Maybe this should be a new thread though.
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When was the last strike you came across that related to the sacking of an individual?I see some very interesting posts above. Here’s a question to public sector employees:
If a colleague who you knew was utterly useless and abused the system was sacked and his sacking resulted in a union picket on your place of work would you pass that picket?
When was the last strike you came across that related to the sacking of an individual?
I'm struggling to see what you're talking about, other than to put out an unrealistic hypothetical situation and draw conclusions from unrealistic hypothetical answers.Don’t obfuscate; you know that’s not what I’m talking about.
I'm struggling to see what you're talking about, other than to put out an unrealistic hypothetical situation and draw conclusions from unrealistic hypothetical answers.
Simplistic, rather than simple. The only answer I can give is 'maybe'.The question is simple; would you pass a picket if you disagreed with the reason it was placed.
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