Small, but non-zero
Develop AAM Blocked Numbers Blacklist?
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What do you mean by "most likely", 1 in 4,000,000? A number lower than that? How much lower? Another pointless generalisation.
I have no difficulty being in a minority, as it means very little in and of itself. I'm already in a minority in Ireland by being an AAM poster. Do you see a reason for that?
Once, they're on my blacklist.
My exs never feature on my blacklist.
I'd say minute, so small in fact as to be of no significance.
A list of vulnerable people has value to a scammer. A list of context free 10 digit long integers does not.
Do some research, you'll find that the spoofed number will only call you once.
There's no value to the numbers. A dialler can be set up to call every number between 0870000001 and 0879999999 and so on without the need for any list. Even a valid credit card number sells for a very small amount on the dark web. The value of even a database of valid phone numbers would be so low as to be essentially zero.
They are the initial point of contact for scammers according to the BBC, so they certainly have value and are being sold as part of the scammers' target lists, as I already said. Unless you can disprove the BBC's statements, your denial posts are simply irrelevant noise.
Feel free to consult BBC's iPlayer or other sources of their recorded programmes, then come back and dampen down the noise.
I'm not going to disprove the BBC statements, I'm going to point out they are not relevant to your hypothesis that a list of phone numbers with no other data has a value.
Firstly, you've stated that the BBC programme referred to a list of names and addresses of vulnerable scam victims. No mention of phone numbers, so not particularly relevant to your argument. The list is made up of personal data which can be used to more effectively scam people. As it's a list of people who have been previously scammed, it has value because it allows the scammer to focus on potential victims who are more likely to fall for the scam.
Secondly, by looking at the cost criminals will pay for something actually useful to them, we can use that as a starting point to estimate the value of a list of phone numbers with no personal data attached. Credit card details sell on the dark web for an average of USD$5.75. https://flare.io/learn/resources/blog/quick-report-credit-cards-sold-on-the-dark-web-in-2021/
This is something that can be used right away to create financial reward for the scammer. A phone number, with no data on the owner of the number and no certainty of a financial return, could not be expected to have a value anywhere near that of a valid credit card. Given that one could generate such a list by typing 0870000001 into a spreadsheet and dragging down, the value of a list of phone numbers would be miniscule. Even Homer Simpson managed to use an auto dialler to run a scam as Happy Dude without paying for a list of phone numbers.
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I have seven hundred contacts in my phone.
I assume my number is in as many others. One hack and it’s lost.
It’s impossible to keep your number very secret unless you change it once a year which has lots of other drawbacks.
And it doesn't really matter when scammers/spammers can randomly generate numbers to call and/or to use for spoofing. Which means that numbers that are never shared are still not safe from incoming/outgoing abuse.
In my opinion, the original idea suggested here makes no sense and seems to have effectively been vetoed in terms of being supported/facilitated by Askaboutmoney so everything else seems moot?
I think the question and solution is answered in mathepac's opening paragraph
I don't answer any calls from numbers that aren't in my phone book or am not expecting
Like wise I don't generally give out my phone number unless I really have to
The result is I probably only get a couple of calls a year from numbers I don't know
Which I don't answer as I feel if it's important enough they'll keep calling
But I fully understand that other people for work or personal reasons might not be able to do this
With regards to the list of numbers I just don't see that as a runner as It's not a finite amount of numbers
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"I don't answer any calls from numbers that aren't in my phone book or am not expecting
Like wise I don't generally give out my phone number unless I really have to
The result is I probably only get a couple of calls a year from numbers I don't know"
On at least two occasions in the past year alone, members of my family would have been in serious trouble had I not answered unanticipated calls from numbers I didn't recognise.
For me, the risk of compounding a personal emergency from missing an urgent call far outweighs the risk of being scammed by some lad from "Irish Bank".
Like wise I don't generally give out my phone number unless I really have to
The result is I probably only get a couple of calls a year from numbers I don't know"
On at least two occasions in the past year alone, members of my family would have been in serious trouble had I not answered unanticipated calls from numbers I didn't recognise.
For me, the risk of compounding a personal emergency from missing an urgent call far outweighs the risk of being scammed by some lad from "Irish Bank".
This sort of thing usually gets a third party implementation on other Android devices soon after, and sometimes makes a move to Android on other devices.
Well for me the only people that I care about and care about me are in my phone book
So if the person or number is not there they wont be ringing me regarding "serious trouble"
And as I said, if it's that "important" they will keep calling me
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"Well for me the only people that I care about and care about me are in my phone book"
Let's hope none of them ever loses their phone or is involved in an incident that necessitates a phone call from another phone because they can't make that call from their phone.
Let's hope none of them ever loses their phone or is involved in an incident that necessitates a phone call from another phone because they can't make that call from their phone.
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