I'll ask the question again,
If I have them on my blocklist, they had no legitimate reason to call me. What are the chances they have any legitimate reason to call another AAM poster? Give me a precise percentage based on your knowledge.
I'll ask the question again,If used in a widespread fashion, your list denies service to legitimate callers.
If I have them on my blocklist, they had no legitimate reason to call me. What are the chances they have any legitimate reason to call another AAM poster? Give me a precise percentage based on your knowledge.Who exactly is being denied what service?
You can be 99.99% confident that scammers aren't paying to obtain a legitimate Irish phone number that might make them traceable when they can just use number spoofing tools from abroad making tracing and enforcement difficult to impossible.But you don't know that, the numbers are randomly generated.
That's true only if they have genuine owners and are not from a random telephone number generator. Are genuine numbers used by scammers more often than random numbers? How do the percentages stack up based on your knowledge and experience?the owners of the phone numbers that are spoofed are an innocent party
As a non-criminal, they may at some future time have a legitimate reason to call you. Where is the logic in blocking a phone number that was spoofed once to call you? The numbers aren't reused.If I have them on my blocklist, they had no legitimate reason to call me.
I know. I was simply pointing out what they've been doing/not doing on this front as it's relevant in the context of this thread.@ClubMan
It’s three years since Comreg started working on this, and far longer since the problems started to manifest, and so far the sum total of concrete achievements is zilch. In terms of consumer protection, Comreg rates on a par with the CBI, i.e a 3/10
Perhaps there's a psychological benefit akin to that gained from pressing the lift door close button or the pedestrian crossing button? In most cases these buttons are not wired to anything, but people feel better for having pressed them.Where is the logic in blocking a phone number that was spoofed once to call you? The numbers aren't reused.
AAM isn't starting a deny list, please read my proposal again carefully.AAM isn't going to start any kind of deny list. Note the use of black/white list has been phased out due to racist origins.
I don't believe you can tell me what degree of certainty I have about anything, let alone illegal activities.You can be 99.99% confident that scammers aren't paying to obtain a legitimate Irish phone number
OK, I'll be more clear, AAM isn't going to start facilitating anything like this that could only serve to harm its reputation.AAM isn't starting a deny list, please read my proposal again carefully.
True. I was giving you too much credit.I don't believe you can tell me what degree of certainty I have about anything, let alone illegal activities
And you know that how? If numbers were not reused, why would the handset manufacturers go to the trouble of providing the facility to block them? The reality is probably that numbers are shared/sold amongst scammers, like the lists of names and addresses of vulnerable scam victims on a recent BBC Rip Off Britain broadcast.The numbers aren't reused.
I don't think we are disagreeing. Having been a long time observer of ComReg, and it's predecessor the ODTR (Office of the Director of Telecommunications Regulation) I was just pointing out that I wouldn't be holding my breath waiting on action given the glacial pace at which they operate. This is a classic case of analysis paralysis. If the regulator had its finger on the pulse it should have moved quickly. And then, if anything got broken or further threats emerged, deal with these by way of amending the regulations. Sitting on their hands for 3 or more years and chatting to the world and its wife in the name of consultation while the scams go on and on and on is ridiculous.I know. I was simply pointing out what they've been doing/not doing on this front as it's relevant in the context of this thread.
Just on that point, I'd be grateful to know that my number was in use by scammers; it'd prompt me to change it.then if there are legitimate phone numbers on that list, you can deal with any issues arising.
The last thing I'd expect is that you'd give me credit for anything, let alone too much.True. I was giving you too much credit.
What are the chances of that happening, based on your knowledge and experience?As a non-criminal, they may at some future time have a legitimate reason to call you.
Have you ever interacted with the HSE? If so, your number has most likely been used by scammers, you should change it.Just on that point, I'd be grateful to know that my number was in use by scammers; it'd prompt me to change it.
Just hang up the call and move on with your life. You clearly don't appreciate the prevalence of phone number spoofing and the absurdity of curating lists on a web forum with phone numbers for people to block. You are the only person in this entire thread that thinks this a worthwhile endevour - there is a reason for that.Very disappointed at the more illogical, hysterical reactions, and the random generalisations posted as givens, but thanks for giving my proposal airtime.
Have a look in your call history. Find a number from a scam call. Note how many times that number has called your phone.want to participate in protecting their phones from known scammers/spoofers.
By looking at my call logAnd you know that how?
To stop those 4am calls from one's exwhy would the handset manufacturers go to the trouble of providing the facility to block them?
What value would there be in that, that couldn't be achieved with the Excel function RANDBETWEEN and the Wikipedia article 'Telephone numbers in Ireland '?The reality is probably that numbers are shared/sold amongst scammers
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