Delays in rolling out vaccine

[Paul O Mahoney]

Exclusive: AstraZeneca to miss second-quarter EU vaccine supply target by half - EU official

AstraZeneca Plc has told the European Union it expects to deliver less than half the COVID-19 vaccines it was contracted to supply in the second quarter, an EU official told Reuters on Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

Here is the Reuters story.

 

[Leo]

The Government gave a timetable based on adjusted figures. They said they adjusted them. I want to know on what basis they adjusted the figures based on the fact that the company have said there will not be a drop in Q2 deliveries. Did they do it on the back of a unsubstantiated news report? Is that really what we are basing our communication policy on?

You seem to be assuming they're reading what gets leaked to the press!

I am not looking for certainty. I am looking for a clear concise message.

But it seems you're not looking for a clear concise message at all, you seem to be looking for them to go into detail on all the factors that they considered in coming to the most recent timeline. There are so many variables at play here with multiple suppliers with multiple facilities that to start going down that road can only just lead to more confusion.

 

[odyssey06]

While it feels the rollout here is interminably slow, according to HSE on course for 100,000 vaccinations this week.
Last week it was 80,000.

Over 340,000 vaccine doses have been administered in Ireland so far, with 126,000 people fully vaccinated as of Friday. These are within the first two cohorts of frontline healthcare workers and residents in long-term care over the age of 65.
The latest figures mean that roughly around 2.5% of people in Ireland have been fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

100,000 vaccines set to be administered this week as government expects big supply increase from April

The health minister has said capacity is being built up to vaccinate 250,000 people a week.

www.thejournal.ie

 

[Paul O Mahoney]

While it feels the rollout here is interminably slow, according to HSE on course for 100,000 vaccinations this week.
Last week it was 80,000.

Over 340,000 vaccine doses have been administered in Ireland so far, with 126,000 people fully vaccinated as of Friday. These are within the first two cohorts of frontline healthcare workers and residents in long-term care over the age of 65.
The latest figures mean that roughly around 2.5% of people in Ireland have been fully vaccinated against Covid-19.

100,000 vaccines set to be administered this week as government expects big supply increase from April

The health minister has said capacity is being built up to vaccinate 250,000 people a week.

www.thejournal.ie

There's another story about infections falling off a cliff and Prof Henry? I think I heard saying it can only be attributable to vaccines didn't hear details.

 

[odyssey06]

There's another story about infections falling off a cliff and Prof Henry? I think I heard saying it can only be attributable to vaccines didn't hear details.

Speaking at a briefing this afternoon, the HSE’s Chief Clinical Officer Dr. Colm Henry said there has been a “very severe drop” in infection rates and that it’s “very difficult” to attributed that to the drop in community transmission alone.

'Collapse' in cases in hospital staff and care homes 'must be attributed to the vaccine'

The drop is “very difficult” to attribute to the drop in community transmission alone.

www.thejournal.ie

 

[Merowig]

Wikipedia article how the US has accelerated the vaccination development and deployment

Operation Warp Speed - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The EU was much more hesitating....

 

[Paul O Mahoney]

Wikipedia article how the US has accelerated the vaccination development and deployment

Operation Warp Speed - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The EU was much more hesitating....

Well Pfizer didn't participate in that program, Moderna did and I'm unsure about J&J.

The German government invested about €600m into Biontech and Curevac with Biontech getting approximately 60% .

France also assisted Sanofi

The UK investment is largely unknown at this stage but its known that Oxford (AZ) and Novavax got substantial funding particularly in the research area. Of course the UK are the global leaders in genome research and that was also funded to speed up the process.

Europe wasn't wanting in helping companies and research.

The US scheme has been seen by many as an attempt by Trump to get the first vaccine out and from reading was fairly chaotic as weekly updates to the Whitehouse were part of the deal. All companies involved in the vaccine research signed a joint document/ statement in August/September 2020 saying nothing would be released before all safety and testing was done correctly.

Trumps administration were pressurising the companies to announce before the election and help him in the election.

Most in the industry now think that it was a waste of Federal money and achieved nothing extra as the vaccines were developed by companies in-house capabilities.

 

[Leo]

Most in the industry now think that it was a waste of Federal money and achieved nothing extra as the vaccines were developed by companies in-house capabilities.

Yep, window dressing in an attempt to make the Trump administration appear to be doing something.

 

[Merowig]

The US has fully vaccinated over 6% of its population so far. The EU roughly a third of that percentage.
I do not see it as window dressing therefor. The EU did too little to late.

 

[Merowig]

Well Pfizer didn't participate in that program, Moderna did and I'm unsure about J&J.

So is Pfizer part of Operation Warp Speed or not? Yes and no.

Pfizer’s assertion that it is not part of Operation Warp Speed, the Trump administration’s vaccine program, is setting off a heated political debate.

ca.news.yahoo.com

At the same time, on July 22, Pfizer agreed to a $1.95 billion deal with the Trump administration “for large-scale production and nationwide delivery of 100 million doses of a COVID-19 vaccine in the United States following the vaccine’s successful manufacture and approval.”

Technically, that agreement has nothing to do with the development of the vaccine. But it also appears to undermine the claim that Pfizer is operating entirely outside Operation Warp Speed.

A senior administration official told Yahoo News that since “the early days of March when President Trump convened pharmaceutical companies at the White House, Pfizer has been a part of the incredible public-private partnership forged to combat the coronavirus pandemic. Additionally, the nearly 2 billion dollars awarded to Pfizer will go a long way in the manufacturing and distribution of the Pfizer vaccine in development.”

 

[Paul O Mahoney]

So is Pfizer part of Operation Warp Speed or not? Yes and no.

Pfizer’s assertion that it is not part of Operation Warp Speed, the Trump administration’s vaccine program, is setting off a heated political debate.

ca.news.yahoo.com

They didn't and the second quote was Pfizer selling vaccines in the same way Moderna, AZ did. Using that argument would mean AZ took more money from the EU than the UK did.

 

[Merowig]

It isn't that black and white as you claim Paul but nevermind




"Kurz said that he and Frederiksen will cooperate with Netanyahu on the "research and production of vaccines and drugs," saying that the first priority is to accelerate the production and procurement of vaccines."

Good move of Denmark and Austria

 

[Paul O Mahoney]

It isn't that black and white as you claim Paul but nevermind




"Kurz said that he and Frederiksen will cooperate with Netanyahu on the "research and production of vaccines and drugs," saying that the first priority is to accelerate the production and procurement of vaccines."

Good move of Denmark and Austria

Oh yes it is , to the point that the links you posted clearly states that Pfizer did not take Federal money for the development or manufacturing of the vaccine.

The other claptrap quoted in the link was Ivanka Trump and the Trump administration trying to claim credit for something they had no hand or part in.

If you're trying to make a case against a fact you've a lot to learn.

 

[EasilyAmused]

Excellent podcast on the UK’s vaccine rollout:

Spotify

open.spotify.com

Neither host nor guest are fans of BoJo.

 

[Paul O Mahoney]

Corona in Europe - Why are Israel, UK and US vaccinating so ridiculously fast?

The countries that will be able to be freed from the lockdown the quickest because they have administered enough corona vaccines to achieve herd immunity do not appear to be in the European Union.

innovationorigins.com

For some reason the other link won't copy.

No matter,
So, for the all the money invested by Trump ( should be noted Ivanka thinks $18bn was invested) outlined in the above link, there is on one vaccine is presently in use in the US ....Moderna's.
J&Js $500m is a pittance to the world's biggest pharmaceutical company ($350bn market cap approximately) probably made no difference to what it has spent in getting its vaccine produced.

After all those billions the return isn't exactly stellar, actually its abysmal and hasn't made a jot of difference to the US, Europe, Israel or any other country.

 

[Paul O Mahoney]

It isn't that black and white as you claim Paul but nevermind




"Kurz said that he and Frederiksen will cooperate with Netanyahu on the "research and production of vaccines and drugs," saying that the first priority is to accelerate the production and procurement of vaccines."

Good move of Denmark and Austria

Are Israel researching and producing vaccines?, thought they were exclusively using Pfizer/BioNTech in a deal that was done whereby Israel would get more vaccines at a higher price than anyone else and provide detailed data on effectiveness and other vital benefits of the vaccine in a real world scenario.

 

[Merowig]

Israeli Teva is in talks with others to do some co-manufacture potentially. They were approached by and approached themselves some of the current companies which manufacture Covid-19 vaccines.
Israel is also doing its own research on antivirals and Covid-19 Vaccines.
Moderna is also used in Israel. They will have soon much more vaccines available than they need. Cyprus showed already earlier interest in getting some of the vaccines Israel won't need.

 

[Merowig]

For some reason the other link won't copy.

No matter,
So, for the all the money invested by Trump ( should be noted Ivanka thinks $18bn was invested) outlined in the above link, there is on one vaccine is presently in use in the US ....Moderna's.
J&Js $500m is a pittance to the world's biggest pharmaceutical company ($350bn market cap approximately) probably made no difference to what it has spent in getting its vaccine produced.

After all those billions the return isn't exactly stellar, actually its abysmal and hasn't made a jot of difference to the US, Europe, Israel or any other country.

No the return will be stellar as the US and Israel will be able to reopen the economies much more earlier than Europe. The billions poured by Israel, the UK and the US into Vaccinations will be a pittance then.

 

[Merowig]

Some health workers 'frustrated' over vaccine roll-out

Bodies representing Dentists, Opticians and Physiotherapists say the vast majority of their members have not received appointments for vaccinations despite pledges that all healthcare workers would be vaccinated by the end of next week.

www.rte.ie

(...)
The groups say they have been told the delay is due to problems with the online vaccination registration portal but the HSE says there are no issues with the system.

The Irish Dental Association says an estimated 85% of its members in private practice have not yet received an appointment to be vaccinated.

Caroline Robbins, who is on the IDA's GP Committee, said the association has been inundated with calls from members who have had no communications from the HSE despite registering for vaccines a number of weeks ago.
(...)

Did the HSE's Excel file crash?

 

[Paul O Mahoney]

No the return will be stellar as the US and Israel will be able to reopen the economies much more earlier than Europe. The billions poured by Israel, the UK and the US into Vaccinations will be a pittance then.

Again you seem to have an inability to back up your previous posts even though what you asserted was incorrect.
Israel situation is unique, and no other country can replicate that, the US situation has improved because Biden is in charge and Pfizer, a company who didn't participate in warpspeed have doubled US production in its fill plant , and moved from 100 days to 60 days for total production and is providing the majority of vaccines being rolled out.

The Billions poured in changed nothing, simply " window dressing".