Airport - Yes, you would not have seen them
Dail - Yes, you would not have seen them.
Money Convoys - Yes would not have seen them, you probably have seen normal cash transfers
Like many people, I travel a reasonable amount and I've never seen the army at Dublin Airport. And like many people, I walk around Dublin a reasonable amount and I've never seen the army outside the Dail etc (where there are Gardai). The money conveys are paid for by the banks as I understand it.
Like many people, I travel a reasonable amount and I've never seen the army at Dublin Airport.
And like many people, I walk around Dublin a reasonable amount and I've never seen the army outside the Dail etc (where there are Gardai).
The money conveys are paid for by the banks as I understand it.
Are you sure they are at the Airport? I was told by someone working there that they are not on site as a matter of course.Airport - Yes, you would not have seen them
Dail - Yes, you would not have seen them.
Money Convoys - Yes would not have seen them, you probably have seen normal cash transfers
Next? How many Irish troops have been killed in combat in the last 50 years? The people who build houses are more at risk. I'm not saying they are well paid. I'm not saying that they are unskilled. I'm not saying they don't do a good job. I am saying that the argument that they are putting their lives at rick for the security of the State is, by any realistic empirical measure, nonsense.
You're a great man for the hyperbole Leper!
In most countries a Coast Guard does what our Navy does. and locked Switzerland and Austria have bigger Navy's than us. Our army is no realistic deterrent from attack by any force which would realistically attack us. Why do we have it? What is it for?
As I said, my heart says yes; they have distinguished themselves all over the world with the UN, but my head says no; we could carry out the same State security function better by integrating them into the police and a State intelligence service.
It's not a hard one to answer. There have been less than half a dozen.Combat killed/realistic deterrent........ This is a hard one to answer so I will leave it.
So what? Gardai are, Fire crews are, Coast Guards are. They are far more likely to be injured or die in the line of duty.The people who build houses are more at risk - no builder is ever asked to deliberately put themselves in harm's way.
Yes. So what?They exist as an arm of the state and to support civil authorities when needed.
Agreed. Again, so what?The Police are a civil force.......... different in many ways from an Army, different training, different attitudes to situations.
Are you sure they are at the Airport? I was told by someone working there that they are not on site as a matter of course.
It's not a hard one to answer. There have been less than half a dozen.
So what? Gardai are, Fire crews are, Coast Guards are. They are far more likely to be injured or die in the line of duty.
Yes. So what?
Agreed. Again, so what?
Use your words.
Use your words.
Let's take the issue of hearing damage and the compensation claims. These claims were small compared to the average weekly litigation payout of each Maternity Consultant to upstanding women and men of Ireland.
If Leper is right then it's over €300 million or €15.6 billion a year. Jasus lads, that's where all the money is going! Let's sort that one out and problem solved for Ireland Inc.!Is this true or did you just make it up ? I consider it most unlikely to be true, but I am open to becoming better informed, if of course you didn't just make it up.
The army deafness debacle cost the taxpayer in excess of €300m http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/army-deafness-saga-finally-nears-an-end-26625717.html.
I have no idea what the average weekly litigation payout of each maternity Consultant is.
The most recent figures given by Mr O'Dea to Fine Gael's Jim O'Keeffe also reveal that 10 solicitors' firms earned more than €1.8m from the legal saga with Patrick V Boland and Son of Newbridge, Co Kildare, earning a grand total of €16.2m.
One of the legal beneficiaries is the current chairman of the Planning and Payments Tribunal, Alan Mahon, who acted as a barrister in a large number of the claims lodged before he was appointed to the tribunal in 2002.
However, since the Minister for Defence delegated the management of new and outstanding claims to the State Claims Agency (SCA) back in 2005 there has been a rapid deceleration in legal costs.
Since then, the department has paid out €1.2m in plaintiff costs and €1.4m in agency legal and related costs to the SCA which has gone on to resolve 851 cases.
When compared with the costs of the previous 15,300 cases, this represents a decrease in legal costs per plaintiff of just over 400 per cent.
Despite accelerated recruitment the combined strength of the Army, Naval Service and Air Corps is just over 9,100 instead of the desired establishment strength of 9,500.
In the past three years over 12pc of officers - lieutenant, captain and commandant ranks - have left the organisation, taking with them essential skill sets which, on average, require between two and five years to develo
Yes, and if we have defense forces we should at least make sure that they are fit for purpose for the real threats that we face. We are not going to be invaded but we do need a strong intelligence and counter-terrorist service (though personally I'd rather see that as a entity in itself taking some of the duties of the Gardai and the army).It seems the issue is in the specific specialist roles that are leaving.
If you didn't have to look that up then I'm very impressed!I have always thought Tolstoy had it right on armies. From War and Peace.
“According to the biblical tradition the absence of work -- idleness -- was a condition of the first man's state of blessedness before the Fall. The love of idleness has been preserved in fallen man, but now a heavy curse lies upon him, not only because we have to earn our bread by the sweat of our brow, but also because our sense of morality will not allow us to be both idle and at ease. Whenever we are idle a secret voice keeps telling us to feel guilty. If man could discover a state in which he could be idle and still feel useful and on the path of duty, he would have regained one aspect of that primitive state of blessedness. And there is one such state of enforced and irreproachable idleness enjoyed by an entire class of men -- the military class. It is this state of enforced and irreproachable idleness that forms the chief attraction of military service, and it always will.”
Next? How many Irish troops have been killed in combat in the last 50 years? The people who build houses are more at risk. I'm not saying they are well paid. I'm not saying that they are unskilled. I'm not saying they don't do a good job. I am saying that the argument that they are putting their lives at rick for the security of the State is, by any realistic empirical measure, nonsense.
Empirical evidence (All of this is meaningless in the pay discussion,
you think you have a right to denigrate, minimise, belittle and begrudge families
Everyone who signs up knows the risks. Everyone knows what could happen. But they still do it.
They came from a culture of service, of something bigger than themselves.
you think you have a right to denigrate, minimise, belittle and begrudge families who have given more in the service of the state than we could ask of anyone
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