Delays in rolling out vaccine

Paul O Mahoney said:
I wouldn't be advocating mandatory mask wearing but if it reduced the annual flu or other annual respiratory illnesses it would do a lot of good.
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I hate mask wearing and only do so where it’s legally required, but based on anecdotal evidence there’s been an enormous drop in influenza and common cold this winter.


tomdublin said:
If vaccines are nearly 100% effective in preventing serious illness or death from Covid-19 ...
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Pfizer, Moderna and Sputnik-V are in the 90ies but AZ is in the 70ies and J&J in the 60ies.
And it goes without saying they are 0% with people that don’t get the vaccine.
And we still don’t know for how long they’ll be effective.

Merowig said:
Three years of further lockdown and one could kiss goodbye to the economy and the recession will likely have much more of a devastating effect than the pandemic.
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EasilyAmused said:
In the last week Sam McConkey has warmed us that we may be facing at least a further three years of pandemic.
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With all the handwashing, shops closures, social distancing, closed schools and creches, travel bans and masks a drop of influenza and the cold is logical.
Apart of that with people staying at home in most cases anyway it doesn't make much of a sense to go to the GP if one catches the flue/cold so that might be even under reported - also some might want to avoid the GP in order to get "stabbed in the nose/brain" with the Covid Swap ;) as some symptoms are overlapping.

How much of a percentage of a drop in influenza is now to be assigned to what measure ? I doubt that can be now easily said if at all.
And as we have working influenza vaccines every year I do not see the government being able to mandate face coverings when this pandemic here is over.
 
Merowig said:
With all the handwashing, shops closures, social distancing, closed schools and creches, travel bans and masks a drop of influenza and the cold is logical.
Apart of that with people staying at home in most cases anyway it doesn't make much of a sense to go to the GP if one catches the flue/cold so that might be even under reported - also some might want to avoid the GP in order to get "stabbed in the nose/brain" with the Covid Swap ;) as some symptoms are overlapping.

How much of a percentage of a drop in influenza is now to be assigned to what measure ? I doubt that can be now easily said if at all.
And as we have working influenza vaccines every year I do not see the government being able to mandate face coverings when this pandemic here is over.
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Well we don't have working flu vaccines every year... in some years it is 0% matched against the strains that actually hit us unfortunately.
Similarly I think the concern re: covid vaccines is a new mutation appears and there is a scramble to roll out boosters.

But on the presumption that we will have long periods where the vaccine is well matched to the circulating strains and the majority of the population are vacccinated, I don't expect governments to retain the restrictions indefinitely - outside the scenario outlined above.
 
EasilyAmused said:
Pfizer, Moderna and Sputnik-V are in the 90ies but AZ is in the 70ies and J&J in the 60ies
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The percentages you are citing pertain to those who don't develop any symptoms of the disease, not to mortality rates which drop to nearly zero with any vaccine currently on the market. The media generally doesn't seem to report this difference. Once everyone is vaccinated some will still contract the virus and develop symptoms but virtually nobody will die from it.
 
EasilyAmused said:
In the last week Sam McConkey just warned us that we may be facing at least a further three years of pandemic. Anthony Staines said we may be wearing face masks (more-or-less) forever.
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Sam McConkey might be a science expert but his comments on everything outside of that have been idiotic. He was completely wrong on the vaccine and is divorced from the reality of the real world and how to run an economy during a pandemic. Of course it's easy to put out these scenarios when you are protected in the ivory towers of academia.
 
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joe sod said:
Sam McConkey might be a science expert but his comments on everything outside of that have been idiotic. He was completely wrong on the vaccine and is divorced from the reality of the real world and how to run an economy during a pandemic. Of course it's easy to put out these scenarios when you are protected in the ivory towers of academia.
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Time will tell. The pandemic I can live with, the lockdown is annoying, but I draw the line at homeschooling.
 
The israelis have also shown that just one dose is good enough to stop the spread and prevent illness, the British are also concentrating on administering the first dose to as many as possible. With the limited number of vaccines we have now we should be doing the same rather than holding back vaccines for the second dose which the hse are now doing. This is sticking to rules for minimal benefits rather than being flexible and pragmatic. Tony holohan seems to have an iron grip on all the decision making.
 
joe sod said:
The israelis have also shown that just one dose is good enough to stop the spread and prevent illness, the British are also concentrating on administering the first dose to as many as possible. With the limited number of vaccines we have now we should be doing the same rather than holding back vaccines for the second dose which the hse are now doing. This is sticking to rules for minimal benefits rather than being flexible and pragmatic. Tony holohan seems to have an iron grip on all the decision making.
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No Joe the Israelis are using the vaccine as per instruction by Pfizer and its the only vaccine they have.
The good data they released on Sunday posted above says that.
The UK are yet to release any meaningful data on their rollout and the effectiveness of the vaccines with one shot which is predominantly Astrazeneca.

Finally Tony Holohan appears to be living in your head " rent free" he isn't the only one working on our rollout and trying to make him a despot is frankly puerile.
 
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Given what we've known about vaccines for the last 100 years or so reduced rates of infection and transmission amongst people who have been vaccinated shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. That's kind of the point of vaccines. I'm surprised anyone is surprised.
 
Purple said:
Given what we've known about vaccines for the last 100 years or so reduced rates of infection and transmission amongst people who have been vaccinated shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. That's kind of the point of vaccines. I'm surprised anyone is surprised.
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There are some vaccines that don't reduce transmission, just provide protection. I think TB vaccine is like that.
And for example I looked for definitive studies showing e.g. the flu vaccine reduces transmission and drew a blank.
Probably it does but it's not guaranteed and establishing it requires effort.
 
odyssey06 said:
There are some vaccines that don't reduce transmission, just provide protection. I think TB vaccine is like that.
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Sure, but that was developed in 1921 and new vaccines are in the pipeline.
In the vast majority of cases vaccines reduce the number of infections within the community. Those that don't are the exception.
 
Purple said:
Given what we've known about vaccines for the last 100 years or so reduced rates of infection and transmission amongst people who have been vaccinated shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone. That's kind of the point of vaccines. I'm surprised anyone is surprised.
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This is how I understood vaccines to behave but I’ve since learned that this is not necessarily the case.
All virus are different and all vaccines are different.
Notwithstanding the fact that Coivd-19 is primarily transferred person-to-person, it may also be transmitted via contact/surfaces.
Someone with Covid-19 could easily cough in the supermarket when returning a shopping trolley to a bay. The next person may be vaccinated but get the cough droplets on his/her hands. He/she may not use the hand sanitiser and shake hands when bumping into a friend at the deli counter.

Science will tell us, eventually.
 
EasilyAmused said:
Notwithstanding the fact that Coivd-19 is primarily transferred person-to-person, it may also be transmitted via contact/surfaces
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It can but it rarely does.
Therefore it is correct to say that reduced rates of infection and transmission are seen in vaccinated populations or, to put it another way, vaccination results in a reduced rate of transmission and infection.

Just like with most vaccines.
 
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