Delays in rolling out vaccine

I think our CMO is being ultra cautious so maybe the WHO position will enable him to change his mind.
I dunno Purple it's difficult to get ones head around this. The EMA said more or less the same as the WHO , individual countries like Germany and France said they wouldn't be giving it to over 65 and others followed.

I was expecting issues with all aspects of the rollout but didn't expect this contradictory messaging, a vaccine either works or it doesn't.

I asked herself and she said that she'd go with what the WHO said. :confused:
 
I'd go with herself as well. If I'm offered the AZ vaccine I won't be saying no thanks. I can understand politicians and CMO's covering themselves in case of a worst case scenario. The fact that the WHO are giving it the thumbs up for variants as well is the clincher for me.
 
I'd go with herself as well. If I'm offered the AZ vaccine I won't be saying no thanks. I can understand politicians and CMO's covering themselves in case of a worst case scenario. The fact that the WHO are giving it the thumbs up for variants as well is the clincher for me.
I'll also take whatever is offered but she went on to say that the coordination like the development of the vaccines needs a global effort for their rollout in order to speed it up.
 
I think the national immunology body tasked with assessing the AZ vaccine also gave it the thumbs up to be used for all age groups with the caveat that they awaiting more data from AZ. Tony holohan then reinterpreted their recommendation to exclude the over 70s for now. Why does this one man have so much say over everything, he is not a god, it is very unhealthy that he is being treated like one.
 
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I think the national immunology body tasked with assessing the AZ vaccine also gave it the thumbs up to be used for all age groups with the caveat that they awaiting more data from AZ. Tony holohan then reinterpreted their recommendation to exclude the over 70s for now. Why does this one man have so much say over everything, he is not a god, it is very unhealthy that he is being treated like one.
He's had a great recovery since the Cervical Smear Test fiasco. I think he was unfairly blamed for that just as he's been overly lionised here. Don't get me wrong, he's a great public servant doing a great job but doing your job well shouldn't confer you with god like authority.
 
I feel a bit guilty about criticising Joe Sod for quoting a very inaccurate statistic re vaccinations that he heard on the radio, so sorry for that Joe. It's just that I get really frustrated with some of the stuff you hear on the radio. There appears to be a real tendency to to portray things in this country in the worst possible light. For example, on Wednesday Liveline opened with a headline saying that the UK had vaccinated 87 times more people than Ireland. In terms of first doses given the headline comment was accurate but why not express it in a way that reflected relative population sizes like they did later in the programme when comparing deaths from Covid (they said that the UK had 2 times our death rate but if they were to be consistent with their earlier headline comment then they should have said that the UK had 30 times more deaths than Ireland). It's so demoralising.
He's had a great recovery since the Cervical Smear Test fiasco. I think he was unfairly blamed for that
The Cervical Smear controversy really demonstrated the bias of a lot of journalists and their tendency to portray things in the worst possible light. The amount of disinformation in the reporting of this issue was extraordinary. The fact that the CMO survived it is probably down to the fact that he is a top civil servant. Top civil servants are very skilled at deflecting criticism and covering themselves when things go wrong.
 
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Well, river blindness isn't an issue in Ireland and if you are referring to a study in Australia last year it was literally called false and put into the category of drinking bleach.
 
There are many studies on pubmed documenting its efficacy. Dr Pierre Kory and a group of other US physicians prescribe it for their patients. He is an intensivist and pulmonary physician. He has tried to get the Senate on board but is not being listened to. Wonder why ? Also worth reviewing is Tony Holohans comments on the safety of pandemrix and the subsequent events. McConkeys comments on how many would die with swine flu are worth reviewing also.
 

Here's why. Can you not find somewhere else to post this rubbish I'm sure there are plenty of places you'll find like minded people? to further your clearly uninformed views.
 
The Cervical Smear controversy really demonstrated the bias of a lot of journalists and their tendency to portray things in the worst possible light. The amount of disinformation in the reporting of this issue was extraordinary. The fact that the CMO survived it is probably down to the fact that he is a top civil servant. Top civil servants are very skilled at deflecting criticism and covering themselves when things go wrong.
don't agree with much of Tony Holohan's decisions even though he was proven correct after Christmas with the huge upsurge. I think one of the reasons for that is that we kept hospitality very restricted for much of the Summer when we could have opened more because of serving outdoors. Then we locked down again in the months before Christmas, by the time Christmas came around there was a huge pent up demand to socialise like never before.
Tony Holohan is a tough cookie he is well able to take the arrows , like King Kong pulling them back out and not suffering at all, fairly unique in irish public life, probably need a Charlie Haughey or Ray McSharry to overpower him, modern politicians are not so tough now
 
It's odd that very few citizens are unwilling to question ...the idea that the vaccine is the only solution above all else.

Prior to there being a vaccine it was regarded as a silver bullet.
But now that vaccines are being rolled out we are being reminded that this is just another layer of defence against Covid.

In the last week Sam McConkey has warmed us that we may be facing at least a further three years of pandemic. Anthony Staines said we may be wearing face masks (more-or-less) forever.
 
Anthony Staines said we may be wearing face masks (more-or-less) forever.
And I might win the lottery. Both are unlikely.
50 years ago we figured out how to put men on the Moon. We'll figure this out as well. I think we've been exposed to too many dystopian movies. Science and progress make the world a better place most of the time. We'll get over this.
 
And I might win the lottery. Both are unlikely.
50 years ago we figured out how to put men on the Moon. We'll figure this out as well. I think we've been exposed to too many dystopian movies. Science and progress make the world a better place most of the time. We'll get over this.
I agree but mask wearing might be one good legacy, it's ubiquitous in Asia after 2002. I wouldn't be advocating mandatory mask wearing but if it reduced the annual flu or other annual respiratory illnesses it would do a lot of good.
Of course this would be a huge cultural shift for Western countries and might a bridge to far.
 
Prior to there being a vaccine it was regarded as a silver bullet.
But now that vaccines are being rolled out we are being reminded that this is just another layer of defence against Covid.

In the last week Sam McConkey has warmed us that we may be facing at least a further three years of pandemic. Anthony Staines said we may be wearing face masks (more-or-less) forever.
If vaccines are nearly 100% effective in preventing serious illness or death from Covid-19 (which they seem to be) then vaccinating everyone is the logical silver bullet. The "it's just another layer of defence" claim seems to be made primarily by health authorities and their PR surrogates when trying to justify the slow rollout.
 
I agree but mask wearing might be one good legacy, it's ubiquitous in Asia after 2002. I wouldn't be advocating mandatory mask wearing but if it reduced the annual flu or other annual respiratory illnesses it would do a lot of good.
Of course this would be a huge cultural shift for Western countries and might a bridge to far.

Personally I will not wear the mask unless legally required - and for avoiding the flu people can get the yearly flu shot.
In Asia mask wearing is more widespread also due to high air pollution. In China it helps to mask ones identity in the surveillance state they live in (though they are working on better face recognition already). Unlikely to be adapted in the West.

Prior to there being a vaccine it was regarded as a silver bullet.
But now that vaccines are being rolled out we are being reminded that this is just another layer of defence against Covid.

In the last week Sam McConkey has warmed us that we may be facing at least a further three years of pandemic. Anthony Staines said we may be wearing face masks (more-or-less) forever.
Three years of further lockdown and one could kiss goodbye to the economy and the recession will likely have much more of a devastating effect than the pandemic. Apart of that very strict lockdowns seem not to be that impactful if at all.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/epdf/10.1111/eci.13484
 
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