Well that fits with the situation out there with regards to HAP...the Govt are giving people as much money as it takes to get the rental property and not present as homeless, Common sense, good governance and value for money have gone out the windowNow this is one case I know of , he told me they are all doing it in xxxxxxxxx I won't name the area to degrade it but it's a less desirable area he said government are throwing houses at people .
Last year
21% of newly presenting homeless families in Dublin were non EU citizens
12% were from EU countries
67% were Irish born.
In the 2016 census, 12% of the population were recorded as being born outside Ireland.
a sizeable proportion of people are gaming the system to get houses. There are loads of stable families where the parents are not married where the mother claims to be a lone parent to get a house.
I've reported fraud a few times and nothing has been done. I think that DSP officials are, right;y, frightened of getting on the wrong side of the populist media and the far left populist politicians.Well I reported multiple abuses and to be honest I was better off I investigated it myself as it would nearly have taken less time. I compiled a detailed dossier in each case and they were factual and nothing done even though there was flagrant abuse of the system. Thats my experience. Never again
I'm personally aware of 6 cases over the last 4 years. I work with people who tell me about their brothers/sisters/cousins doing the same thing. I have no data on it, obviously as there is none, but speaking about 2 particular areas of North Dublin I would say it is the norm when financially viable for the father to buy a house and rent it to the mother.Can you back this up?
I would hazard a guess that yes, it occurs, but is so infrequent relative to actual homelessness, and unaffordable housing issues, that even if it not to occur, it would barely register a difference in the round.
That is not to ignore it, but rather to acknowledge in terms of implementing effectively actions and policies, it would be way down the list of priorities.
They stop renting with partner , move back home to parents house , go to local TD or whoever will listen , say they are homeless and a lone parent .
I'm personally aware of 6 cases over the last 4 years. I work with people who tell me about their brothers/sisters/cousins doing the same thing. I have no data on it, obviously as there is none, but speaking about 2 particular areas of North Dublin I would say it is the norm when financially viable for the father to buy a house and rent it to the mother.
One guy I work with has two young children and he and his partner and the children live with his partners mother in her 3 bedroom council house. He was laughed at and called a gob-daw (daw wasn't the second bit) in the canteen for not claiming to be homeless when he said that he wanted to buy his own house. The reaction was "What?! Why would you do that, you idiot!" (they didn't say idiot).
...what that means is that people get disillusioned and that's fertile ground for the nutters and and rightwing fringe.But apparently my friend can't give out because you are not allowed to criticise social housing because if you do, you are some right wing Nazi nut....
A friend of mine spent 6 years in a two bed apartment with three kids saving for a deposit for a house they wanted in an area they wanted. (Ironically North Dublin as well). Eventually got the house in a new estate for over 500k. Within a couple of days, a family moved next door with the neighbour proudly saying that they are delighted with their new house because the council had them (three kids also) in three bed up to now. Neither adult in the house works. My friend and his wife gets up every morning and goes into work to pay the mortgage. They made sacrifices for 6 years of their childrens lives to be able to afford a house that they see being given to someone else. And what is the difference between two families? Now, people will just say this is just a story and it doesn't happen and people are entitled to a house and all the rest. I don't know one person who agrees with homelessness. I don't know one person that doesn't think the State should take steps to ensure there is affordable housing for EVERYBODY but we are living in la la land if we think it is sustainable that State finances are being used to buy €500k houses to give to social housing and expect working families who have worked their asses off to get the same thing to just accept it.
But apparently my friend can't give out because you are not allowed to criticise social housing because if you do, you are some right wing Nazi nut....
Did they know when they were purchasing if houses in the development are council owned?
I would be equally miffed but this is a tricky one.
a family moved next door with the neighbour proudly saying that they are delighted with their new house because the council had them (three kids also) in three bed up to now. Neither adult in the house works
The Local Authorities are actually harrassing funds to go out and buy more homes so they can then come in and rent them on long term deals. It's mad stuff.
Secondly, and in terms of the "why don't they move to somewhere cheaper like Leitrim" argument, one of the factors that people often overlook is the family network.
People who have a roof over their heads are not afforded hotel emergency accommodation.
In the main, it is families with children, quite often single parents.
In general, people afforded this emergency accommodation cannot access rooms until late evening and need to vacate by early morning. It is not a situation that anybody with any sort of reasoned mentality would desire to deliberately put themselves, and their children, through, on some baked up notion that it is a gateway to a 'forever' home.
Sorry but your wrong
Im not. Hotel emergency accommodation is by and large provided to families with nowhere to go.
You cant just kip out in your mums house, rock up to your TD and get given a hotel room. Then head back to mums and wait to be given a house. Dont you think the hotels are conscious of when their hotel rooms are being occupied or not?
If you don't have kids, and are homeless you will be given a space in a hostel, if available. You could be sharing with up to 12 others, some of them with serious illness or addictions.
If you decide to head back to mammies house, it will become apparent pretty quickly that you are not there, and your bed will be given up for someone who is genuinely homeless. You can spot these people regularly in any major city, occupying shop doors with sleeping bags.
And once your bed is given up, and you are not registering with services for the homeless, you are struck off as being no longer homeless. In which case you wont be getting any house at all - which is a pity, because in your example, the 'experts' at taking advantage of the system had a house to begin with.
You counter a post about families gaming the system by talking about homeless individuals...Im not. Hotel emergency accommodation is by and large provided to families with nowhere to go.
You cant just kip out in your mums house, rock up to your TD and get given a hotel room. Then head back to mums and wait to be given a house. Dont you think the hotels are conscious of when their hotel rooms are being occupied or not?
If you don't have kids, and are homeless you will be given a space in a hostel, if available. You could be sharing with up to 12 others, some of them with serious illness or addictions.
If you decide to head back to mammies house, it will become apparent pretty quickly that you are not there, and your bed will be given up for someone who is genuinely homeless. You can spot these people regularly in any major city, occupying shop doors with sleeping bags.
And once your bed is given up, and you are not registering with services for the homeless, you are struck off as being no longer homeless. In which case you wont be getting any house at all - which is a pity, because in your example, the 'experts' at taking advantage of the system had a house to begin with.