Hi Rainyday
If there are not enough units to go around, some people will be homeless.
If new regulations take 3,000 (?) units out, then there will be homelessness.
I don't think that Focus Ireland were scaremongering.
Brendan
The press like to run headlines about children forced to sleep in cars. A single middle aged man losing his bedsit doesn't sell papers.I'm just surprised that in all the recent publicity about homelessness, I haven't seen one case in the press that related to the bedsit policy.
But those two markets are probably completely separate so there is no replacement effect.And indeed, because of the interconnection, the 3,000 bedsits might turn into 600 family homes, which adds capacity to that side of the market, which reduces demand over there.
I'm just surprised that in all the recent publicity about homelessness, I haven't seen one case in the press that related to the bedsit policy.
And indeed, because of the interconnection, the 3,000 bedsits might turn into 600 family homes, which adds capacity to that side of the market, which reduces demand over there.
What do you mean by this?
Tax is payable on rent (turnover) less allowable deductions. While those deductions don't include all of the interest on borrowings, it does include 75% of it.
I suppose the question would be whether 3,000 have been taken out,
The demography of the loss of the bedsits would in my opinion be mostly single men (I cannot back this up) but from what I've seen and read of bedsits. They are not all grotty, but severly grotty ones that I did see were for the type of men that would hardly be socially fit for a hostal. So to me they serve a housing need. And the men were safer and happier in that type of environment.
Proper regulation and proper enforcement was the solution to grotty bedsits.
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These are scurrilous allegations, and you really should stand them up, or withdraw them. The Revenue lists are full of people who were 'way behind'. Did Revenue not 'bother with them'?As stated on here before on Priory Hall before the thread was closed down. There are a lot more Priory Halls, but now the authorities are investigating all properties they know to be compliant or near compliant and staying away from everything else, and they know which ones they are, but you won't find that on an paper trail.
It's the same issue with VAT and being late, if you're complaint but are late a week they come down on you like a ton of bricks for their statistics, but if you're way behind, they don't bother you are you are too troublesome.
Safer and happier than what? Safer and happier than in a half-decent 1-bed apartment with its own bathroom and separate bedroom?The demography of the loss of the bedsits would in my opinion be mostly single men (I cannot back this up) but from what I've seen and read of bedsits. They are not all grotty, but severly grotty ones that I did see were for the type of men that would hardly be socially fit for a hostal. So to me they serve a housing need. And the men were safer and happier in that type of environment.
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I've heard of a number of cases of these properties being restored into family homes, and the level of work involved isn't hugely different with the standard 'restoration' work that seems to happen each time one of these houses changes hands.The costs of converting as far as I can make out make no sense and these type of properties are not suitable to turn into family homes.
Yes, I'm sure there is a bit of that going on, but can't you see the press getting all over the story of the elderly widow/widower being dumped out on the street, if that was happening?The press like to run headlines about children forced to sleep in cars. A single middle aged man losing his bedsit doesn't sell papers.
No two markets in housing are completely separate. There is definitely an interconnection.But those two markets are probably completely separate so there is no replacement effect.
These are scurrilous allegations, and you really should stand them up, or withdraw them. The Revenue lists are full of people who were 'way behind'. Did Revenue not 'bother with them'?
Yes, I'm sure there is a bit of that going on, but can't you see the press getting all over the story of the elderly widow/widower being dumped out on the street, if that was happening?
The Revenue lists are lists of defaulters, ie those who file incorrect returns, or under-declare or mis-declare income. They do not refer to those who pay late.
The Revenue lists do refer to those who are so far way behind that they fail to file returns, right?
These are scurrilous allegations, and you really should stand them up, or withdraw them.
In relation to building control, where are these non-compliant properties that are not being inspected? A few examples would be great.
Safer and happier than what? Safer and happier than in a half-decent 1-bed apartment with its own bathroom and separate bedroom?
I've heard of a number of cases of these properties being restored into family homes, and the level of work involved isn't hugely different with the standard 'restoration' work that seems to happen each time one of these houses changes hands.
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Sorry, I'm a bit confused by what appear to be contradictory statements above. So just to be clear, the second list does include people who have failed to file tax returns, right?No they don't. There are two sets of lists published each quarter - the big one is the tax defaulters list, ie the list of settlements.
The second one is the list of individuals and companies who have been prosecuted successfully in the courts for failure to file returns.
Again, I'm a bit confused. Is this alleged avoidance of dangerous properties something that you have actually seen happening, or is it your 'logical deduction' that it must be happening?Goodness me, scurrilious indeed. Do you think that Dublin corporation keep a list of the non compliant properties, or do you think they by logical deduction know which ones there are and avoid them but not write them on an list. Anyone working in the building industry would have a fair idea of the good and bad builders, that would be the engineers, the brickies, the plasters and also the council workers.
They are all over Dublin, if you have a look on Daft - some modern apartments, some 1-bed flats in houses, city centre, Rathmines, Finglas, take your pick. I'm not sure if this search URL will work for you, but give it a shot.Do you think Johnnie aged 50, separated from his wife and with a slight drink problem living in central Dublin, in a warm, old fashioned bedsit, where the only person he see regularly is his landlord, but maybe other similar chaps, would prefer that or living out in the sticks in a lovely one bed apartment (where are they by the way) that he cannot manage and is even more lonely and cut off. And how do you propose that Johnnie pays for the one bed?
Yes, the conversions that I've come across were converting it back to a family home.Convering bedsits into a house makes sense if you are going to live in that house as a family home and the expenditure is justified. But converting it from 9 bedsits into 4 flats is expensive as you cannot deduct the renovation costs as far as I know. They used to have a scheme that encouraged renovation, the countrywide something or other. I availed of it myself and I know others who used it too.
Sorry, I'm a bit confused by what appear to be contradictory statements above. So just to be clear, the second list does include people who have failed to file tax returns, right?
They are all over Dublin, if you have a look on Daft - some modern apartments, some 1-bed flats in houses, city centre, Rathmines, Finglas, take your pick. I'm not sure if this search URL will work for you, but give it a shot.
http://www.daft.ie/dublin-city/houses-to-rent/?s[mxp]=900&s[mnb]=1&s[mxb]=1
Nope, still confused, having re-read the full thing again, several times.You'd perhaps be less confused if you read my entire comment rather than selectively concentrating on isolated parts to suit your own debating position.
Hi RainyDay,
Asuming that "a half-decent 1-bed apartment with its own bathroom and separate bedroom" would be the next rung of the ladder up from a bedsit, I'm just curious to know what you think would happen to rent prices of these apartments once the bedsits were removed - would prices rise, fall or stay the same, all other things being equal?
Firefly.
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