What will happen when/if the PService deal is rejected?

doubledeb said:
We all have to make choices in life, some good some bad, unfortunately for some it was the wrong one... again how is it the PS fault exactly?
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Not saying it is. Simply point out moaning about the pay cut they had to take, maybe they should stand back and thank their lucky stars that they are not taking a 100% pay cut. Most of the people on the dole lines did not cause this crisis either.
 
Its not a 25 year pay scale its 12 years then after a further 3 years another small increment, then 3years after that another. then it stops. so 18 years it takes to get to 37k..
 

It takes 11 years to reach the 'max' on the payscale, €35,471 and then there are two long service increments, paid 3 & 6 years after reaching the max.
 
csirl said:
Out of interest how do clerical officer pay rates compare with bank, insurance company, call centre, multinational general employee etc.?

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We recently hired someone for our office to do general office admin on 19k a year. College Graduate with honours degree.
 
doubledeb said:
What the PS workers have to do in return?... read it and come back to me
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You mean be flexible in their working practices? Work a bit harder? Promotion and increments progression linked to performance?

Wow, that is slavery

Can't believe I let myself be dragged into one of these discussions again! We will agree to disagree.
 

The problem is that this is exactly what they are doing, 10/15 years on in the CS.

If you stay doing the same job you stay on a similar low paid job.

Csirl
Out of interest how do clerical officer pay rates compare with bank, insurance company, call centre, multinational general employee etc.?
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We need someone to do the calculations ,based on job security which is worth a lot of money and the pension .When those two are calculated then we can make a fair comparison.
 
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As I said get all the facts and come back to me
You have no idea
 
doubledeb said:
Its true though, but thats not the PS workers fault is it?
Time to stop blaming the wrong people
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Who's blaming the Public Sector?
I'm not aware of anyone who it. It just comes down to one simple fact: the government (the employer in this case) is broke and doesn't have the money to pay wages at the current level. The harsh reality is that means pay cuts or/and job losses and increases in taxation. (reduce outgoings and increase income 'till they match).
 
The public sector largely seems not to be using midern Technology.

Apart from the Revenue.


There is an emphesis in the public service of clerical grades - not accountants, engineers etc

What we have is various grades clericalism
 
If the deal is rejected I believe the Unions will revert to the work to rule scenario which as the Government admit was slowly grinding services to a halt to the extent that it was the Government who knocked on the Unions door to seek a deal ( although it appeared that that door was already swinging open ! ).

The question is will the Government tolerate such a work to rule or will they risk exacerbating the position by either suspending employees or cutting pay.

From the Union's point of view I think the idea of rolling strikes makes sense in that such action would cause immense difficulties and because such actions would enable the Unions to pay enhanced strike pay limiting financial difficulties for those on such strikes.

The Unions are of course aware t6hat the rejection of the deal would also cause the Government borrowing difficulties.
 
Deiseblue said:
The Unions are of course aware that the rejection of the deal would also cause the Government borrowing difficulties.
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If that's all they think it will do then they are bigger idiots than I thouight they were.
 
Sunny said:
Not saying it is. Simply point out moaning about the pay cut they had to take, maybe they should stand back and thank their lucky stars that they are not taking a 100% pay cut. Most of the people on the dole lines did not cause this crisis either.
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I don't agree with that. I think that public sector employees have a right to feel aggrieved. It doesn't change reality though.
 
Purple said:
I don't agree with that. I think that public sector employees have a right to feel aggrieved. It doesn't change reality though.
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Of course they have a right to feel aggrieved. Didn't mean to I
imply they didn't. I don't think they have the grounds to justify an industrial relations war as one union put it.
 
Feeling angry about pay cuts/pension levy is perfectly understandable. However, anger doesn't justify irrationality and immorality.
Consider the position of Protestants in Ulster who felt deeply aggrieved at the loss of their privileged access to jobs and housing - they had developed a sense of entitlement over generations, and felt threatened and angry when their hegemony was challenged by Catholics, and ultimately the British government.
The PS situation is analogous to Ulster at that time - a privileged group, fighting to defend the indefensible.
The only way to sustain the PS at its current size is to continue borrowing at unsustainable levels, and to increase tax levels even more drastically.This approach would of course ultimately destroy the country.
The painful reality is that the PS must be downsized significantly, and radically reformed to deliver services efficiently and cost effectively.
Ulster said 'no', the PS says 'no', the people of Ireland must say 'yes', to any political party that is willing to take the brave and courageous decisions to face down the PS, unions and other vested interest groups - to save Ireland from disaster.
 
Sorry sunny I can't provide a link. I wish I could so everyone could see the real deal that is on the table. I agree with posters that the PS needs reform, I think most PS workers would agree and all know that they, like most of the people in the private sector, would feel the pinch financially, but are afraid that they are going to get a lot more taken away. Yes, they were offered no more pay cuts but its such a broad area that they feel the government will work around it and put more levys on pay etc. Its one of those debates i think that no one can win, there is for and against in all areas. So I mite just bow out now...
 

What a strange analogy !

One could equally compare Public Sector Union members to a Catholic minority unfairly targeted by a despotic Government.
 
Deiseblue said:
What a strange analogy !

One could equally compare Union members to a unfairly treated Catholic minority unfairly targeted by a despotic Government.
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Now thats what I call a strange analogy!

Catholics were unemployed or forced into low skilled jobs and poor quality overcrowded housing. PS employees are guaranteed job for life, Rolls Royce pensions, pay levels above their private sector equivalents - I'm struggling to see any reasonable grounds to compare them to a genuinely oppressed group. Then again, every example of powerful vested-interest groups that come to mind - point to delusional self-serving arguments e.g. Coal miners in 1970s Britain, Afrikaners in apartheid South Africa, bankers, developers, the legal profession........
 
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