I think the main point is that when a vaccine is widely available, then lockdowns and restrictions must end. If some people are afraid of the vaccine well then they must take responsibility to protect themselves and not expect society in general to be restricted for their benefit.
Or maybe they are not stupid or paranoid but just want to wait and see? Maybe they will wait to let those who really need it be first in line? It's not like there will be enough for everyone initially anyway. Maybe they will be happy to take it once they see it is working?You mean people who are stupid but not paranoid? Sure, and they should have to continue to us masks and follow restrictions etc. Those who don't take it due to medical conditions should be exempt but stupid isn't a medical condition.
The fact that higher risk groups will get it first is obvious and well flagged.Or maybe they are not stupid or paranoid but just want to wait and see? Maybe they will wait to let those who really need it be first in line? It's not like there will be enough for everyone initially anyway. Maybe they will be happy to take it once they see it is working?
I don't see why you need to resort to name calling and mocking on this Purple. All I'm saying is that some people may be cautious or hesitant initially and they may change their mind once they see it is effective, that's hardly a controversial view but it does seem to be one you have difficulty with. As Leo said, we're not all going to be able to get it straight away anyway so a large number of us will have to continue with the social distancing, mask wearing, etc. for some time yet.
No, but it's very similar to the seasonal flu vaccine.Hi Purple
I think that is an unfair comparison.
This vaccine is going through emergency approval.
It is not the same as a tried and tested vaccine like MMR.
Yes, by definition there can't be any longitudinal studies of a new vaccine. There are ongoing studies for all sorts of vaccines, including the MMR.I presume that even after it is approved, there will be continuous scientific study of it.
True.Given that there will be a queue for it, I don't think it matters that much if some people would prefer to wait and see if the longer term study shows it to be safe.
Do you accept that things have improved in that area in the last 70 years?I would be a person that believes in Science and have faith in Science as a way to solve problems. However blind faith I do not have. Thalidomide is a classic example of a drug fully approved by regulators but went on to have dire consequences.
Thalidomide is a classic example of a drug fully approved by regulators but went on to have dire consequences.
I would be a person that believes in Science and have faith in Science as a way to solve problems. However blind faith I do not have.
But its the scale and cost of the corona virus that is different and dwarfs the other examples you mentioned. I agree that obesity and alcoholism are costs borne and accepted by society at large but they are miniscule in comparison to the corona. However it is not actually the costs that is the real issue but the restrictions imposed on society at large to contain corona. For example if you chose to be obese or an alcoholic (im over simplifying here) I am not restricted by your life choices even though I might bear some of the cost down the road. Also there is no vaccine for alcoholism or obesity they are not really comparable.For better and worse, our society doesn't work in a manner in which irresponsible people bear the full consequences of poor decisions with no impact on the broader population.
You can have mine because I sure as hell won’t be taking it, it takes 10-15 years to develop a vaccine, 4-7 of those years are for testing alone and then you have people taking the government to court over the swine flu vaccine but they want to be shielded from any repercussions of the covid vaccine.They had 40,000 in the trial.
I suppose it's possible that there could be side effects which might only show up a long time after being vaccinated, but I am sure that the scientists are on top of that.
I would trust the scientists and the regulatory bodies.
But if some people don't want to take it, it just means that the waiting time for the rest of us will be shorter.
Brendan
being the CEO it would be pretty easy to pick the date, because they were not going to announce anything before the election, they did not want to be accused of influencing the election, so time your sale for a week after the election , they knew a month ago the timeline of the vaccine progess, so the election date was crucial to the announcement.But it's not known if the sale was triggered by the date or by the share price.
The technology used for all of these viruses was originally intended to use in the development of cancer vaccines (and developed by a German husband and wife team) so this is very exciting as it may be the start of a whole new range of treatments.The US company, Moderna, has announced that interim results from an experimental vaccine has an efficacy rate of 94.5%.
The US company, Moderna, has announced that interim results from an experimental vaccine has an efficacy rate of 94.5%.
But its the scale and cost of the corona virus that is different and dwarfs the other examples you mentioned.
I agree that obesity and alcoholism are costs borne and accepted by society at large but they are miniscule in comparison to the corona. However it is not actually the costs that is the real issue but the restrictions imposed on society at large to contain corona.
Pfizer basically pays Tony Holohans wages to put it bluntly.
Seems strange since it's a mRNA vaccine and other similar vaccines such as the Ebola Vaccine also have to be kept at -60°C. It's good news though.Some additional great news about the Moderna vaccine is that it can be stored at -20c for 6 months and remains stable in a regular fridge for up to a month, and at room temperature for 12 hours:
Moderna Announces Longer Shelf Life for its COVID-19 Vaccine Candidate at Refrigerated Temperatures | Moderna, Inc.
Vaccine candidate now expected to remain stable at standard refrigerator temperatures of 2° to 8°C (36° to 46°F) for 30 days, up from previous estimate of 7 days Shipping and long-term storage conditions at standard freezer temperatures of -20°C (-4°F) for 6 months mRNA-1273 to be distributed usinginvestors.modernatx.com
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