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Hi Sop
I assumed that the control group was half the 43,000?
Yes, and they will ask other questions as well.
The scientific method is based on repeated questioning and challenging.
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Hi Sop
I assumed that the control group was half the 43,000?
Yes, and they will ask other questions as well.
The scientific method is based on repeated questioning and challenging.
Brendan
I haven't got any PM's from Dr. Fauci in weeks so I assume he's on top of things and doesn't need my help anymore.
I won't give his username as it would breach the posting guidelines though he's found the Money Makeover section invaluable.
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If you look at the Study design and demographics and Fig. 1 Study design in Phase I/II of the Pfizer trials you can see the distribution of vaccine and placebo.
It is not known whether this was continued in Phase III.
Yes exactly, but surely that also includes Tony Holohan he is hardly going to second guess a vaccine approved by countries like the US, Germany or UK,
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Incorrect the FDA insisted on all ethnic groups and economic background be included it this study. That's why it went from 33k to 43k and probably will add more.
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After phase 1 and 2 the FDA insisted on more ethnic group participation and that included economic circumstances.
Phase 1&2 are just seeing if the vaccine is viable and most of the people in 1&2 would be part of the scientific community.
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I wouldn't be as confident, the trial expanded but we don't know all the demographics of the volunteers......yet.
Irrespective of anything else identifying the protein that causes all this and then being able to "switch it off" is hugely important and the fact its a RNA protein just adds who factor, not a scientist by her indoors is and she explained it .
Shes also a overseer of the Quality of this vaccine
I'm sure @circle can clarify, but I don't think their point was anything to do with ethnicity of trial participants.
I'd agree with circle (my interpretation of their post) that those volunteering to participate in a medical trial of a COVID-19 vaccine would be expected to be trusting of the medical profession and more likely to take precautions to reduce their risk of exposure to COVIOD-19 than an anti-vaxxer or someone who doesn't believe the virus poses them any risk.
That in no way negates the results of the study of course, as results there are based on the efficacy of the vaccine on those immunised versus the placebo group.
Exactly, thanks Leo. The people volunteering for the trial by definition will be pro-vaccine, informed and proactive enough to be aware of the trial and I would think more likely to take the science-led advice of social distancing, washing etc.
Of course the same benefit would equally apply to both vaccination and placebo groups - and nothing to do with their ethnicity.
Of course the same benefit would equally apply to both vaccination and placebo groups - and nothing to do with their ethnicity.
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but most people on vox pops when asked about the vaccine said they would wait and see how it affected other people before they would take it themselves. Therefore these people that wont "risk" a new vaccine are risk adverse and are also probably more fearful of the virus so will be wearing masks and socially isolating. People that took part in the trial may be scientifically literate but are probably a bit younger not so afraid of the vaccine or the virus therefore they are probably out their mixing much more and socialising.
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Hi Joe
You could be right. But you could be wrong as well.
A lot of the anti-vaxxers are conspiracy theorists who believe the Corona Virus isn't real and so they don't wear masks.
But it would be interesting to do a proper survey of people to see if those who are scared of the vaccine fit the profile you describe.
Brendan
You could be right. But you could be wrong as well.
A lot of the anti-vaxxers are conspiracy theorists who believe the Corona Virus isn't real and so they don't wear masks.
But it would be interesting to do a proper survey of people to see if those who are scared of the vaccine fit the profile you describe.
Brendan
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How do you know they are the same people? Also personally I don't think it is all that strange for some people to be apprehensive about taking a new vaccine which is being rushed through. I know where you're coming from Purple but I don't really like tarring everyone with the same brush here. Everyone is entitled to make up their own mind with regards to taking the vaccine when it is available and I don't think we should judge them on that. As Leper said, as long as those that want it are first in line that should be the most important thing.
The Flu vaccine is also rushed through; it is developed, made and shipped within 12 months.
And I absolutely will judge people for not taking the Covid vaccine. They are putting other people art risk by not doing so.
It's the same as the MMR; you should be entitled to not give it to your child but the State should then be entitled to exclude your child from schools, parks and playgrounds.
If you refuse to take this vaccine then you should be required to stay under lockdown while the people who don't think Bill Gates is some evil genius Bond Villain trying to make us infertile or slaves (or whatever crazy theory those people have under their tinfoil hats) can go about their business.
Yeah, there will be some alright, but I'd imagine that the proportion of people who trust science to inform their fear of a virus but don't trust science to provide a safe vaccine is relatively small.
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Is there any possibility in your head at all for the fact there may be a group of people who don't want the vaccine and who also don't think Bill Gates is some evil genius Bond Villain trying to make us infertile or slaves (or whatever crazy theory those people have under their tinfoil hats)?
I think the main point is that when a vaccine is widely available, then lockdowns and restrictions must end. If some people are afraid of the vaccine well then they must take responsibility to protect themselves and not expect society in general to be restricted for their benefit. The whole idea of lockdowns and restrictions was imposed to bide time until the arrival of the vaccine
If they don't take the vaccine they are putting those who can't take the vaccine (those who are immuno-complanised etc.) at risk. They should therefore be compelled to continue to wear masks and follow a higher level of restrictions.
You mean people who are stupid but not paranoid? Sure, and they should have to continue to us masks and follow restrictions etc. Those who don't take it due to medical conditions should be exempt but stupid isn't a medical condition.