Brendan Burgess
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It said that of the 43,538 tested, only 94 reported systems and that the vast majority of those had been given the placebo.
I think it's reasonable to assume that a major pharma company operating within FDA and EMA best practice guidance have taken account of most of the stuff we can come up with here.
I haven't got any PM's from Dr. Fauci in weeks so I assume he's on top of things and doesn't need my help anymore.Yes, and they will ask other questions as well.
The scientific method is based on repeated questioning and challenging.
Brendan
Hi Sop
I assumed that the control group was half the 43,000?
Yes exactly, but surely that also includes Tony Holohan he is hardly going to second guess a vaccine approved by countries like the US, Germany or UK,I think it's reasonable to assume that a major pharma company operating within FDA and EMA best practice guidance have taken account of most of the stuff we can come up with here.
Incorrect the FDA insisted on all ethnic groups and economic background be included it this study. That's why it went from 33k to 43k and probably will add more.I'd expect people who volunteer for a vaccination trial to tend to be more science-led and careful with a mask, social distancing etc. so it makes sense that both the vaccinated and the placebo groups would have lower rates than the general population.
After phase 1 and 2 the FDA insisted on more ethnic group participation and that included economic circumstances.If you look at the Study design and demographics and Fig. 1 Study design in Phase I/II of the Pfizer trials you can see the distribution of vaccine and placebo.
It is not known whether this was continued in Phase III.
I wouldn't be as confident, the trial expanded but we don't know all the demographics of the volunteers......yet.A very high number of those who have been shown to be infected have been in care homes/ nursing homes so the figures are probably reflective of broader community infections.
I think it's reasonable to assume that a major pharma company operating within FDA and EMA best practice guidance have taken account of most of the stuff we can come up with here.
Incorrect the FDA insisted on all ethnic groups and economic background be included it this study. That's why it went from 33k to 43k and probably will add more.
but most people on vox pops when asked about the vaccine said they would wait and see how it affected other people before they would take it themselves. Therefore these people that wont "risk" a new vaccine are risk adverse and are also probably more fearful of the virus so will be wearing masks and socially isolating. People that took part in the trial may be scientifically literate but are probably a bit younger not so afraid of the vaccine or the virus therefore they are probably out their mixing much more and socialising.I'd agree with circle (my interpretation of their post) that those volunteering to participate in a medical trial of a COVID-19 vaccine would be expected to be trusting of the medical profession and more likely to take precautions to reduce their risk of exposure to COVIOD-19 than an anti-vaxxer or someone who doesn't believe the virus poses them any risk.
How do you know they are the same people? Also personally I don't think it is all that strange for some people to be apprehensive about taking a new vaccine which is being rushed through. I know where you're coming from Purple but I don't really like tarring everyone with the same brush here. Everyone is entitled to make up their own mind with regards to taking the vaccine when it is available and I don't think we should judge them on that. As Leper said, as long as those that want it are first in line that should be the most important thing.It's strange that people are unwilling to take this vaccine but are willing to take the brand new Flu vaccine every year.
The Flu vaccine is also rushed through; it is developed, made and shipped within 12 months.How do you know they are the same people? Also personally I don't think it is all that strange for some people to be apprehensive about taking a new vaccine which is being rushed through. I know where you're coming from Purple but I don't really like tarring everyone with the same brush here. Everyone is entitled to make up their own mind with regards to taking the vaccine when it is available and I don't think we should judge them on that. As Leper said, as long as those that want it are first in line that should be the most important thing.
. Therefore these people that wont "risk" a new vaccine are risk adverse and are also probably more fearful of the virus so will be wearing masks and socially isolating.
Is there any possibility in your head at all for the fact there may be a group of people who don't want the vaccine and who also don't think Bill Gates is some evil genius Bond Villain trying to make us infertile or slaves (or whatever crazy theory those people have under their tinfoil hats)?If you refuse to take this vaccine then you should be required to stay under lockdown while the people who don't think Bill Gates is some evil genius Bond Villain trying to make us infertile or slaves (or whatever crazy theory those people have under their tinfoil hats) can go about their business.
If they don't take the vaccine they are putting those who can't take the vaccine (those who are immuno-complanised etc.) at risk. They should therefore be compelled to continue to wear masks and follow a higher level of restrictions.I think the main point is that when a vaccine is widely available, then lockdowns and restrictions must end. If some people are afraid of the vaccine well then they must take responsibility to protect themselves and not expect society in general to be restricted for their benefit. The whole idea of lockdowns and restrictions was imposed to bide time until the arrival of the vaccine
You mean people who are stupid but not paranoid? Sure, and they should have to continue to us masks and follow restrictions etc. Those who don't take it due to medical conditions should be exempt but stupid isn't a medical condition.Is there any possibility in your head at all for the fact there may be a group of people who don't want the vaccine and who also don't think Bill Gates is some evil genius Bond Villain trying to make us infertile or slaves (or whatever crazy theory those people have under their tinfoil hats)?
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