US Presidential Election 2024

She ran a good campaign but how can you explain away black men and Hispanics voting for trump ?
An American friend explained that to me.

A large number of Hispanic and Black men are in humdrum jobs that could easily be done by new arrivals. Hence, now that they are in the USA, they want to protect what they have and that means stopping their fellow emigrants coming over the border to compete for the job they currently have.

Quite clever of Trump campaign if they thought of it that way.
 
Harder to understand why 52% of white women voted for Trump....
The lazy answer is that they are stupid. The harder and more accurate answer is that the policies of the Democratic Party are even more unappealing to that 52% than a loathsome creature like Trump.

There's a voice in my head saying "To all the people out there who think that your preferred pronoun is an election issue; this one is on you".
 
There's a voice in my head saying "To all the people out there who think that your preferred pronoun is an election issue; this one is on you".
That’s really it.

If the democrats can’t beat a candidate like Trump, it’s really on them. They really need to ask themselves what it is about them that encourages the electorate to vote for someone like Trump.

It might involve taking a stand against the woke BS that has permeated all aspects of western society. Whether they have the chops to bite the bullet is another matter.
 
A tough morning for Zelensky I'd imagine....
Terribly disheartening.

Imagine he will look at immediately launching rockets into Russia/Moscow in the hope of changing Russian public opinion....Trump may even pull US out of NATO.
 
I've no problem with most of the issues that the self described liberals on social media support. I have a big problem with making the support of those issue compulsory. I'm not a fan of orthodoxies that compel compliance. I also think that while there are real economic an security concerns in America it's absurd to put things like Trans Rights (which I broadly support) front and centre.
 
Terribly disheartening.

Imagine he will look at immediately launching rockets into Russia/Moscow in the hope of changing Russian public opinion....Trump may even pull US out of NATO.
Another thing the black and Hispanic voters probably voted trump because of his policy of abandoning ukraine and giving into putin. They seem to be beholden to russian propaganda the same way they were to trump.
 
Tweet from commentator Konstantin Kishin which I've seen shared quite widely:

For my British and European friends who are "shocked" and "surprised", here are 10 reasons you didn't see this coming. Read this short post and then read the replies from our American friends who will confirm what I'm saying.

1. Americans love their country and want it to be the best in the world. America is a nation of people who conquered a continent. They love strength. They love winning. Any leader who appeals to that has an automatic advantage.

2. Unlike Europeans, Americans have not accepted managed decline. They don't have Net Zero here, they believe in producing their own energy and making it as cheap as possible because they know that their prosperity depends on it.

3. Prices for most basic goods in the US have increased rapidly and are sky high. What the official statistics say about inflation and the reality of people's lives are not the same.

4. Unlike you, Americans do not believe in socialism. They believe in meritocracy. They don't care about the super rich being super rich because they know that they live in a country where being super rich is available to anyone with the talent and drive to make it. They don't resent success, they celebrate it.

5. Americans are the most pro-immigration people in the world. Read that again. Seriously, read it again. Americans love an immigrant success story. They want more talented immigrants to come to America. But they refuse to accept people coming illegally. They believe in having a border.

6. Americans are sensitive about racial issues and their country's imperfect history. They believe that those who are disadvantaged by the circumstances of their birth should be given the opportunity to succeed. What they reject, however, is the idea that in order to address the errors of the past new errors must be made. DEI is racist. They know it and they reject it precisely because they are not racist.

7. Americans are the most philosemitic nation on earth. October 7 and the pro-Hamas left's reaction shocked them to their very core because, among other things, they remember what 9/11 was like and they know jihad when they see it.

8. Americans are extremely practical people. They care about what works, not what sounds good. In Europe, we produce great writers and intellectuals. In America they produce (and attract) great engineers, businessmen and investors. Because of this, they care less about Trump's rhetoric than you do and more about his policies than you do.

9. Americans are deeply optimistic people. They hate negativity. The woke view of American history as a series of evils for which they must eternally apologise is utterly abhorrent to them. They believe in moving forward together, not endlessly obsessing about the past.

10. America is a country whose founding story is one of resistance to government overreach. They loathe unnecessary restrictions, regulations and control. They understand that freedom comes with the price of self-reliance and they pay it gladly.
 
Well on immigration, remember Trump had a bill to boost border patrols and protections blocked by House Republicans so he could continue to cynically exploit the issue.

As Trump's rally in New York the chant was "America for Americans only".
The communities that Trump targeted with inflammatory rhetoric during the campaign, such as Haitians, are legal immigrants in America.

So something does not add up there.
 
One description of the Democratic party that I heard today was that "they approached working class people like they were missionaries helping the afflicted" which possibly sums up best how they have become so toxic to so many people. It might be too simple to say Harris was the wrong choice - there may be a deeper reflection required within the party.
 
You forgot to mention that Americans love their pets going all the way back to Rin Tin Tin. They find it abhorrent that the DP encourage garbage immigrants to eat the pets of the locals.
 
Yep, nobody likes to be talked down to.
 
I see a consultant role for Bertie Ahern - advising them on how to connect with the common man and the importance of having “walking around” money so you can buy them a beer when the opportunity arises.
 
Yep, nobody likes to be talked down to.

Bernie Sanders: “It should come as no great surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find that the working class has abandoned them. First, it was the white working class, and now it is Latino and Black workers as well. While the Democratic leadership defends the status quo, the American people are angry and want change. And they’re right.”
 
Yea, because Bernie's version of socialism is so popular in America...
 
Great to see what they will think when they get such greats as arch-conspiracy loons Marjorie-Taylor Greene and Robert Kennedy Jr appointed to implement practical solutions to all their problems.

Oh and Trump says he will 'end inflation' and 'end the Ukraine war on the first day in power'. The American people are indeed practical but all this sounds very impractical ? I hesitate to use the term stupid, but if it quacks like a duck .....etc...

He will impose tariffs on most imports - and not realise that countries can reciprocate with tariffs on US exports, surely causing job losses among US exporters. Very practical.
 
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He might finish the wall...