Trade Union (IBOA) ignoring my correspondence.

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Mpsox said:
Let's not get carried away with the power of the IBOA here, they didn't negotiate anything with Ulster Bank on further job losses, RBS announced they were laying off 9000 people globally and 50% of those would be outside the UK, all the IBOA got was a confirmation that it would not apply in Ireland and that is because UB had already taken action around headcount reductions

Having said that, and speaking as someone who has sat opposite IBOA union reps on many occassions, I have always found them sensible and understanding that managers have businesses to run. If a members request/issue is unrealistic/over the top, they will often quite quickly tell the member that that is the case.

I'd be curious as to what the OP's issue is and whether or not the issue was, in the unions view, fair and reasonable?
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I sat opposite Bank representatives on many occassions as well , generally HR people , and found them quite amenable to reasoned argument particularly those who previously were IBOA members but who had to resign when representing the Bank in Bank/IBOA discussions.
I also would be interested in the OP's case !
Have to disagree with you about the level of the IBOA's power which I think is going to increase if times get more difficult and membership continues to grow apace.
Apparently a lot of very fed up people in Bank of Ireland with the freezing of pay and bonuses for those on pay for performance contracts contrasted with the increase for those on union negotiated contacts.
 
Mpsox said:
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I'd be curious as to what the OP's issue is and whether or not the issue was, in the unions view, fair and reasonable?
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You are missing the point. The OP is complaining that he/she never received a response to letters. phone calls, emails. The issues are not part of the problem. It is being ignored 100%.
 
IsleOfMan said:
You are missing the point. The OP is complaining that he/she never received a response to letters. phone calls, emails. The issues are not part of the problem. It is being ignored 100%.
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Well we don't know if the issue has been dealt with or not as the OP last posted on this topic over a month ago.
Maybe the advise given by respondents has proved beneficial ?
 
Any problems with your union then ring UnionConnect. It's a new service set up by ICTU in the last few weeks. They will deal with your complaint regarding IBOA.

Here is the number:

0818 300 900
 
IsleOfMan said:
Well they didn't notice that their U.K. brethern were getting a lower monthly sub than their Irish members.
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The subs when reviewed are set at a figure at a specific point of time and are not adjusted for UK members to reflect currency differentials , logistically it would be a nightmare.
 
I was an IBOA member for 16 years and part of a group that was taking a group action against the BOI, AIB and others. At the time our group were no longer members of the IBOA but the outcome of our case if successful would have had benefits for existing members. We approached the IBOA and looked for financial support in our case. They weren't in the slightest bit interested and offered no help.

Maybe back in the early 1970's when John Titterington and Job Stott were running the organisation it deserved respect.

Now. It's all about flashy websites, new premises , glossy magazine.

The OP was abandoned by the union that should have been there to support him/her.

Shame on you.
 
ParkLane said:
I was an IBOA member for 16 years and part of a group that was taking a group action against the BOI, AIB and others. At the time our group were no longer members of the IBOA but the outcome of our case if successful would have had benefits for existing members. We approached the IBOA and looked for financial support in our case. They weren't in the slightest bit interested and offered no help.

Maybe back in the early 1970's when John Titterington and Job Stott were running the organisation it deserved respect.

Now. It's all about flashy websites, new premises , glossy magazine.

The OP was abandoned by the union that should have been there to support him/her.

Shame on you.
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The OP has not raised the query again for over a month , perhaps the advise given has resolved the problem ?
Why on earth would the IBOA have underwritten a class action by non members against Banks with whom they have to negotiate on an ongoing basis - will you give me a break !
Presumably you are of the opinion that information should be relayed to members by pigeon post rather than "flashy websites,glossy magazines"
Instead of new premises perhaps members should settle for a bunker under Liberty Hall !
 
Deiseblue said:
Presumably you are of the opinion that information should be relayed to members by pigeon post rather than "flashy websites,glossy magazines"
Instead of new premises perhaps members should settle for a bunker under Liberty Hall !
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Well as we have seen with the OP the flashy website, glossy magazine were of no benefit. In fact pigeon post would have been acceptable but unfortunately the pigeons weren't even available.
 
ParkLane said:
Well as we have seen with the OP the flashy website, glossy magazine were of no benefit. In fact pigeon post would have been acceptable but unfortunately the pigeons weren't even available.
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And as I have pointed out the OP has not raised the query for over 5 weeks so hopefully the matter has been sorted
 
Deiseblue said:
Why on earth would the IBOA have underwritten a class action by non members against Banks with whom they have to negotiate on an ongoing basis - will you give me a break !
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There were about 60 in the group all of whom had been IBOA members for the best part of 16 years or so. All fully paid up members.
As I said, but you chose to ignore, the outcome of the case would have been beneficial for existing members.
The case was settled out of court.
Because the IBOA showed no interest in the case they were not given details of the settlements.
For all you know Deiseblue you might have been one of those people who might have benefited if the IBOA had shown interest on behalf of their existing members.
 
ParkLane said:
There were about 60 in the group all of whom had been IBOA members for the best part of 16 years or so. All fully paid up members.
As I said, but you chose to ignore, the outcome of the case would have been beneficial for existing members.
The case was settled out of court.
Because the IBOA showed no interest in the case they were not given details of the settlements.
For all you know Deiseblue you might have been one of those people who might have benefited if the IBOA had shown interest on behalf of their existing members.
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No , what you actually said was that the outcome of the case would have been beneficial for existing members if the outcome was " SUCCESSFUL" - big difference.
Guess I'll just have to live with the fact that I'll never know the result of the case , can't see myself having too many sleepless nights !
Why were all 60 ex-members - nothing to do with the aftermath of 1992 I hope ?
 
Well the outcome was successful in so far as each member received between Ir£10k and Ir£20k with some getting considerably more. It was a pity that it was settled out of court, some people wanted the case to go the full way but a vote was taken and the settlement went ahead.
If the IBOA had shown interest and offered their backing, either legal or financial or both then maybe the case would have gone the full course. Some existing IBOA members would have received a similar pay off and those with longer service considerably more.
Anyhow thats my story about the IBOA. Just like the OP they weren't their for me either.
 
ParkLane said:
Well the outcome was successful in so far as each member received between Ir£10k and Ir£20k with some getting considerably more. It was a pity that it was settled out of court, some people wanted the case to go the full way but a vote was taken and the settlement went ahead.
If the IBOA had shown interest and offered their backing, either legal or financial or both then maybe the case would have gone the full course. Some existing IBOA members would have received a similar pay off and those with longer service considerably more.
Anyhow thats my story about the IBOA. Just like the OP they weren't their for me either.
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As I pointed out the IBOA were never going to underwrite a class action by non members against the Banks with whom they engage on a dad to day basis.
Strange that none of my colleagues in the various Banks have ever heard a whisper of this settlement or indeed the putative court action !
 
ParkLane said:
There were about 60 in the group all of whom had been IBOA members for the best part of 16 years or so. All fully paid up members.
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ParkLane said:
I was an IBOA member for 16 years and part of a group that was taking a group action against the BOI, AIB and others. At the time our group were no longer members of the IBOA
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I'm confused. Were they members or not at the time of the action?
 
Deiseblue said:
I feel that most members are more than happy to pay their dues particularly since the IBOA ensured that the Bank of Ireland paid the recent 3.5% increase due under the National Wage Agreement.
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In fairness, what did you think that the Bank of Ireland were going to do on this one?

And as for the IBOA taking credit for this give me a break. It was a win win situation.

It seems that dealing with one individuals problems is too much like small fry for them.
 
Deiseblue said:
Well we don't know if the issue has been dealt with or not as the OP last posted on this topic over a month ago.
Maybe the advise given by respondents has proved beneficial ?
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Absolutely not. The IBOA has done absolutely nothing for me. They didn't deal with one issue that I raised. They offered no help, advice or any correspondence on the issues that I raised.

Yet another letter that I addressed to Larry Broderick some weeks ago has not been responded to.
 
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