When was the last referendum?
Some women dont want to risk their health, job, social status, finances, emotional well being etc.. to give birth to a child they dont want.
Abortion is a quick fix solution which gives rise to long-term negative impacts on the well-being of the women involved and on society in general. Women deserve better. Sadly there is, worldwide, a yearly hidden holocaust (emotive term granted, but apt methinks) of between 40 and 50 million abortions.
But if the child is being adopted theri finances, job etc won't be affected.
I also think your health and emotional well being are just as likely to be affected by an abortion as by childbirth and adoption.
To be honest, there was a thread on this before and I think it got quite nasty in the end. (Not by anyone on here, I can't even remember who contributed).
I suppose, if you see abortion as killing a child then you don't see finance, job status etc as being an excuse for a termination and feel it is better for the mother to undergo the very understandable (and it is extremely understandable and sad) upset of an unwanted pregnancy and then handing over the child, to actually killing a baby.
Well that explains it. And there was me thinking that it might be because some hold their opinion to be supreme and wish to control the language used by those who have a contrary viewSee this is why the debate never goes anywhere.
Well that explains it. And there was me thinking that it might be because some hold their opinion to be supreme and wish to control the language used by those who have a contrary view.
Abortion is a quick fix solution which gives rise to long-term negative impacts on the well-being of the women involved and on society in general. .
I would suggest closing the debate and perhaps doing another poll similar to the Lisbon poll, to see if people would be for or against another referendum on abortion in Ireland - just out of interest for the OP!
And priests can't even have relationships. What do they REALLY know about the reasons behind abortion?
And there was me thinking it might be because some hold their opinion to be supreme and wish to control the morals of others who have a contrary view.
What I find interesting about this debate is that we've never actually had a referendum on abortion that would have really introduced abortion.
1983 Referendum:
- 8th amendment - passed 64%
1992 Referendum:
- Introduced article 40.3.3 "The State acknowledges the right to life of the unborn and, with due regard to the equal right to life of the mother, guarantees in its laws to respect, and, as far as practicable, by its laws to defend and vindicate that right. "
- Triggered a high court judgement respecting privacy in marital affairs that worried William Binchy & Des Hanafin, who were pro-life.
- 12th amendment - rejected 65%
- 13th amendment - passed 62%
- Proposed adding "It shall be unlawful to terminate the life of an unborn unless such termination is necessary to save the life, as distinct from the health, of the mother where there is an illness or disorder of the mother giving rise to a real and substantial risk to her life, not being a risk of self-destruction. "
- Triggered by the X case - aim was to define suicide risk as not justification for abortion.
- 14th amendment - passed 60%
- Added "This subsection shall not limit freedom to travel between the State and another state."
2002 Referendum:
- Added "This subsection shall not limit freedom to obtain or make available, in the State, subject to such conditions as may be laid down by law, information relating to services lawfully available in another state."
- Ending the practise where back pages with ads for UK family planning clinics were omitted from or cut from magazines.
- 25th amendment - rejected 50.42%
- Proposed adding article 40.3.4 "In particular the life of the unborn in the womb shall be protected in accordance with the provisions of the Protection of Human Life in Pregnancy Act 2002."
- Act would have introduced penalties for performing or assisting in abortion and defined suicide as not being sufficient grounds.
I won't engage in another abortion debate, suffice to say we all know how it will end - the die hards will drag it on for weeks in the end everybody will just have to agree to disagree. Abortion is one of those subjects where you just know the answer yourself, it's all down to your own beliefs and an argument on an internet forum will not change your opinion! .
I would suggest closing the debate and perhaps doing another poll similar to the Lisbon poll, to see if people would be for or against another referendum on abortion in Ireland - just out of interest for the OP!
Same is true of the unavailability of contraception but does that make current availability wrong?All I'll say on it that if it was legal in Ireland over the last few decades, how many people currently posting on here would not exist?
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