And long may it continue.
Difference between then and now was back then, Ireland was an economic basket case.
Today its economy, and society, is fundamentally changed. With 16% of those who reside here not having been born here.
Illegal immigration isnt the issue, there has always been illegal immigrants. Mostly African, Asian and South American. Now the UK will be able to add Europeans, like French people, to that list.
Although listening to Boris fawning over the historical, cultural and economic ties between UK and France that simply does not seem realistic - to paraphrase Johnson "London is France's biggest city outside UK"
Reading between the lines, I do get the impression that the longer Boris spends in the splendid surronds of the Élysée Palace the drum-beating from the Northeast of Ireland becomes more muted.
As you correctly pointed out, the moneymen have no political principles. So it might be worth considering that the pound strengthening occurred during Boris's trips to Paris and Berlin and not Belfast.
Is Boris really going to splinter the economic ties between UK, France and Germany (and Ireland for that matter) in favor of the economic ties between NI and GB?
If you were a money man, which way would you bet?
Project Fear? Or is it Project Terror?He overplays the dissident threat also. The border wont ignite the flames anymore than it ignites them today, but it is a step toward igniting those flames. First a border, then a SF split, then an end to power-sharing (permanent), then an end to ECJ, then an end to the policing board, then an end to the GFA itself.
That is the walk into the hands of dissidents.
Hear! Hear!EH said:That is why neither the British nor Irish Governments should make pacifying the dissidents a matter of national policy.
There is no problem here. For a start the UK has no need at all for regulatory checks on EU goods. It is happy with EU regs, in fact, it believes they are OTT.Eoghan Harris this morning;
'I believe the British government when it pledged last week it would "not put in place infrastructure, checks, or controls at the border between Northern Ireland and Ireland".'
Im curious, if there is no need for infrastructure, checks, or controls at the border between UK/EU in Ireland, is there any need for infrastructure, checks or controls at borders between UK/EU in Britain?
Project Fear? Or is it Project Terror?
It is happy with EU regs
Really?in fact, it believes they are OTT
It might have to impose WTO tariffs but it does not have to enforce them
It might have to impose WTO tariffs but it does not have to enforce them. After all the UK wants free trade with the whole world. If cheap food is still available from the EU then that is no problem.
It will follow WTO rules. But I think Eoghan Harris is right, Boris will keep his word on the border. If he were bluffing or lying then there would need to be now lots of preparations taking place - I think we can take it that no such preparations are taking place. He could do nothing for at least 6 months without the sky falling in. In fact the UK's greatest tactic in a No Deal is to do nothing. That forces the EU to be the aggressor - they can't allow No Deal to be a non event. And it will look to many in France/Germany etc. that it is the EU who are being bloodyminded. After all how can British goods overnight fail to meet EU regulations? But if Leo is good to his word he will tell the EU to keep their aggression out of Ireland.As I understand it, in the event of a no deal and the UK reverting to WTO rules, then the EU becomes a "third country". Any tarriffs that the UK applies (or doesn't apply) to EU imports, including food, would have to be made available to all other WTO members. So if it zero tariffs EU food imports it would also have to zero tariff South American (for example) food imports. Where would this leave UK farmers - including NI farmers?
It will follow WTO rules. But I think Eoghan Harris is right, Boris will keep his word on the border. If he were bluffing or lying then there would need to be now lots of preparations taking place - I think we can take it that no such preparations are taking place. He could do nothing for at least 6 months without the sky falling in. In fact the UK's greatest tactic in a No Deal is to do nothing. That forces the EU to be the aggressor - they can't allow No Deal to be a non event. And it will look to many in France/Germany etc. that it is the EU who are being bloodyminded. After all how can British goods overnight fail to meet EU regulations? But if Leo is good to his word he will tell the EU to keep their aggression out of Ireland.
Boris' plan starts to look not so crazy as the Green Groupthink pan nationalists/catholics keep convincing themselves.
If he were bluffing or lying then there would need to be now lots of preparations taking place - I think we can take it that no such preparations are taking place. He could do nothing for at least 6 months without the sky falling in. In fact the UK's greatest tactic in a No Deal is to do nothing
Let's stick to Ireland, Theobold. I think Boris could easily follow a do nothing strategy in Ireland for quite some time. Even smugglers and Bulgarians etc. need a little time to exploit any gaps. So that really puts it up to EU/Ireland. If EU similarly do nothing then Boris has won - this whole thing about the border was bogus all along. But the EU have to do something and that really puts Leo on a spot.Soooo.....they leave the EU, but still act as if they are in the EU?
No ending of FoM?, apply EU law to all trade?
Is this the dream of Brexiteers?
The gaping flaw in this cunning plan is that the EU will act in accordance with the law. FoM will end for UK citizens on 1st November. Tariffs will apply to UK goods.
Far from being the 'aggressor' , the EU will be the ones to implement Brexit for the UK.
This is the insanity in all of this - the EU implementing a no-deal Brexit and the Brits thinking that this is aggressive.
I think Boris could easily follow a do nothing strategy in Ireland for quits some time.
Don't be silly Theobold. The Republic will be treated differently from France et. al.Are you suggesting that Boris should treat NI differently, separate....from the rest of the UK?
The Republic will be treated differently from France et. al.
But I think Eoghan Harris is right
I haven't read Harris for a long time. Is he still finding time in his weekly column to complain that RTE haven't found a place on their panels for the most insightful political analyst of his generation? If he was less modest he would say the greatest analytical mind since Aristotle - and even this would be an understatement.
The fact that he was a longstanding critic of both John Hume and the peace process in no way undermines this. Sure, he was almost right when he forecast that persisting with it "will end with sectarian slaughter in the North, with bombs in Dublin, Cork and Galway, and with the ruthless reign by provisional gangs over the ghettos of Dublin. The only way to avoid this abyss is to cut the cord to John Hume" .
Nor does it take from his credibility that he predicted that the invasion of Iraq would result not only in peace and security for that country but an Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement. His sound judgement was demonstrated by his endorsement of his pal, Ahmed Chalabi, who played a major role in fabricating the "evidence" used to justify that invasion.
So he has some "insights" you say? That the EU should allow the UK to have its cake and eat it ?
But I think Eoghan Harris is right, Boris will keep his word on the border.
Wow! This was an eye opener, especially the bit about John Hume. I had to check this in Wikipedia and everything is as you say. EH is a deplorable egotist who wallows in thinking he is a supreme intellect by taking the contrarian view. Despite having been proven spectacularly wrong on many occasions. The mystery is that he has achieved credibility with the likes of Aherne, Bruton etc.I haven't read Harris for a long time. Is he still finding time in his weekly column to complain that RTE haven't found a place on their panels for the most insightful political analyst of his generation? If he was less modest he would say the greatest analytical mind since Aristotle - and even this would be an understatement.
The fact that he was a longstanding critic of both John Hume and the peace process in no way undermines this. Sure, he was almost right when he forecast that persisting with it "will end with sectarian slaughter in the North, with bombs in Dublin, Cork and Galway, and with the ruthless reign by provisional gangs over the ghettos of Dublin. The only way to avoid this abyss is to cut the cord to John Hume" .
Nor does it take from his credibility that he predicted that the invasion of Iraq would result not only in peace and security for that country but an Israeli-Palestinian peace settlement. His sound judgement was demonstrated by his endorsement of his pal, Ahmed Chalabi, who played a major role in fabricating the "evidence" used to justify that invasion.
So he has some "insights" you say? That the EU should allow the UK to have its cake and eat it ?
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