I stand corrected as that 70% figure was from memory...a quick google tells me the actual figure is 61%.
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One of better TD's in the Dail and who supports charges.
Are you sure that Stephen Donnelly supports water charges? When they formed the Social Democrats, they three of them were asked if they had paid their water charges. His two co-founders said that they had not paid them. He said he didn't know whether he had paid them or not.
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Good points, hopefully next time round they'll be more open to such feedback...
Thx Brendan, you are correct Social Democrats will abolish IW
Again, most do not object paying for services, once we get what we paid for..........LPT better local services, Road Tax Better Roads, PRSI better Welfare services, etc., so objecting to a bid to privatise our water and sell it off to our crony friends by not allowing proper debate among our elected representatives .
61% is the figure for those who paid a bill in Q3. I'm not saying any more because no stats exist.Dont include those who cancelled DDs, cancelled Accounts, Paid only 1 bill and those "Registered by Irish Water" without their acceptance and/or knowledge so maybe 49%
One of better TD's in the Dail and who supports charges.
Anyways this is not a thread for IW.
Anyone know why we are at 23% of households reliant totally on State benefits while the UK/Belgium are at 13%, the closest to us in the EU?
And Ireland with 1 of the youngest populations in Western Europe.
Those that paid their charges will have to suck it up, not all marchers were from the Left, I went myself ( great days out by the way..;-) ), I would not be a grumpy guy, I can afford to pay but enough was enough, honestly I think the marchers were out complaining about many different items, for me in addition to the IW quango it was the raid to my pension pot, the FG lies per M Noonan saying there would be no more deductions and there were....that made him a Liar, fool me once...
Voters of a similar mindset to myself have spoken, if the message fails to get through we will speak again at the next election, the war is over folks, get over it, Irish Water is dead and nobody will carry the can for its demise, a demise that was inevitable the way it was constructed and managed.
Voters of a similar mindset to myself have spoken, if the message fails to get through we will speak again at the next election, the war is over folks, get over it, Irish Water is dead and nobody will carry the can for its demise, a demise that was inevitable the way it was constructed and managed.
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+ 1 On the Pension Robbery & because they have destroyed confidence in Pensions among many
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It's probably because we have nearly the highest social welfare rates in Europe. It makes no sense for a man with a wife and child to work when he gets such high social welfare, housing and healthcare free of charge.
We also have very high numbers of people on disability and invalidity. On objectively measurable disabilities such as blindness or physical disabilities, we are average. But apparently, the Irish have much higher than average problems with back pain and "the nerves" - illnesses which can't really be objectively challenged.
Here is what the NESC said about it
"Jobless Households - an Exploration of the Issues
Ireland has a high level of household joblessness compared to other European countries, with nearly one-quarter (23 per cent) of households in Ireland described as jobless (in 2010). The next-highest countries were UK and Belgium at 13 per cent, with an EU-15 average of 11 per cent. A distinguishing feature of Ireland’s jobless households is the likelihood that they contain children. While fewer than 30 per cent of adults in jobless households live with children in other EU-15 countries, more than half do in Ireland at 56 per cent.
Various explanations have been put forward to explain the causes of household
joblessness. These can be summarised as follow:
The operation of the tax and welfare system;
The state of the labour market; and
The characteristics of jobless households (age, level of education, age and
number of children, health status of adults and children)."
One would expect that the countries with the highest unemployment rates would have the highest jobless families rates, but that is not the case.
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Social welfare rates are disgracefully high , I know many people who don't work and are no worse off than me , still have cars laptops broadband iPhones sky sports , there is just a disgusting amount of people who freeload and don't contribute anything in tax .
I have a relation who had a severe illness about 15 years ago and had to give up work. She applied for and was granted disability benefit and a medical card. She recovered fully from the illness and has been fit to work for the past 14 years. However she remains in receipt of the disability benefit and has no interest in returning to work.
Accepting that this is just 1 case it does indicate that the current assessment system appears to be flawed. it would appear that once you are in the system and have received the medical card/other payment you tend to stay within that system irrespective of any change in circumstances.
Just because someone dose not march that dose mean that they are not protesting, many people choose to wait until the election and then use their vote as a protest...
I have a friend who has no disability in any normal rational way of thinking and he has been drawing a disability pension for the past 4 or 5 years. He retired from work with a pension at about 54 years of age. He was out walking with me one day a few weeks after retiring and the next day he rang me and said to me about he must have twisted his knee when we were out walking. I noticed nothing and he said nothing to me at the time. When talking about it the next day he said he would go to his doctor and get a letter to say he was unfit to work as this would prolong his stamps and he could draw his disability money and preserve his stamps.
The weeks went into months and his doctors letters indicated injury getting worse (at his insistence). He showed me a copy of the letters/reports and it was unbelievable stuff. He was actually bragging about it. He also remarked that a lot of retired people from where he worked done the same thing and he was getting advice from them on what to do.
Anyway he is on a disability pension/never had an operation/no medication and never had to go before an independent doctor. It was all decided by a non medical person reading his medical reports.
He is not the only one. From my own experience it seems to be rampant.
BTW I am not in any way whatsoever against genuine cases getting well looked after
The weeks went into months and his doctors letters indicated injury getting worse (at his insistence). He showed me a copy of the letters/reports and it was unbelievable stuff. He was actually bragging about it. He also remarked that a lot of retired people from where he worked done the same thing and he was getting advice from them on what to do.
Anyway he is on a disability pension/never had an operation/no medication and never had to go before an independent doctor. It was all decided by a non medical person reading his medical reports.
He is not the only one. From my own experience it seems to be rampant.
BTW I am not in any way whatsoever against genuine cases getting well looked after
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I think that really is the issue.
A friend of mine who has worked for 35 years and contributed huge amounts of PRSI had had to stop work recently due to genuine ill health. He is getting the same disability as your friend who is malingering.
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I don,t think its that the rates on Social are {disgracefully high} , it is that Welfare is not policed agressively enough..
SW rates do not afford a (high) lifestyle. I can,t see people on 188 per week affording many luxuries.(having @ times been in that position)
If they can afford luxuries then they have other hidden income.
If they are genuinely no worse off than you ,then you are being abused by your employment.
Any numbers that {freeload} are thieves and report them.
Fair dues to you Gerry! From reading your posts you are in agreement with a proper SW system to help those in genuine need but unlike many so called Socialist parties have no interest in bailing out those who are merely manipulating the system to their own end. This is broadly what gives Socialism a bad name. Are there any genuine socialist out there who will not put up with the malingerers and others who see the rest of us as having an obligation to continually finance their lifestyle without an equal obligation on themselves to find gainful employment where that is possible?
A party who is prepared to openly espouse that type of policy would certainly get my vote!!
A friend of mine was offered a job 500€ a week take home pay , he ran the numbers and it wasn't worth his while going back to work between medical cards dole etc and would then have to pay child care. 188 is too high any amount that lets people refuse a job is too high , give them 80€ a week or less , they'll soon get out and get a job , there's jobs there but people don't want to take them and lose al the benefits .
It's not the single person basic rate that the big problem - it's all the extras - rent allowance, dependent add-ons, medical card, bonuses, fuel allowances etc. We should have a cap like they introduced in the UK where a family have a ceiling on the amount of benefits they can receive so even a lowish paying job would leave them better off financially.
It's not the single person basic rate that the big problem - it's all the extras - rent allowance, dependent add-ons, medical card, bonuses, fuel allowances etc. We should have a cap like they introduced in the UK where a family have a ceiling on the amount of benefits they can receive so even a lowish paying job would leave them better off financially.
....and add Free Travel Pass to the mix. It enrages me (disabled, age 63, commuting for 3 hours daily) to see those youngsters, walking onto buses, trains, etc, waving their FTPs at the drivers, and swigging RedBulls, checking their smartphones. What kind of 'hidden disability' do these freeloaders/workshy possess in order to qualify for their FTPs? The assessment criteria should be tightened, and GPs penalised for not thoroughly assessing their freeloading patients...
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....and add Free Travel Pass to the mix. It enrages me (disabled, age 63, commuting for 3 hours daily) to see those youngsters, walking onto buses, trains, etc, waving their FTPs at the drivers, and swigging RedBulls, checking their smartphones. What kind of 'hidden disability' do these freeloaders/workshy possess in order to qualify for their FTPs? The assessment criteria should be tightened, and GPs penalised for not thoroughly assessing their freeloading patients...
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or better still...how about don't even give them the 80euro, then lets see in a few years what sort of a society we have created ...
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