The meaning of Art 1, 2 & 3 in the Constitution - The Nation

[WolfeTone]

So you still haven't pointed to a single state (or country if you wish) who do not officially recognise NI as a separate state.

Why would I?

I also recognise NI as a separate State to the Irish State.

 

[Peanuts20]

Thankfully, such thought, it is contained in the fringes of Irish political thought, North and South. Let's hope it stays that way.

I'm out.

There was a fascinating poll done in NI in 2016 which showed that less the half the Catholics surveyed wanted a united Ireland. SImilar poll down here showed that only 66% of ROI respondants were in favour of a united Ireland and that dropped to 31% if we had to pay more taxes. Far from "fring" numbers

 

[WolfeTone]

Far from "fring" numbers

Yes, that's true, but I was talking about NI being regarded as a foreign country across the political spectrum.
Joe and Josephine Public can think what s/he wants on any given day. One day it's "a big problem" having people from NI have a say in the formation of our government, a few days later, the same people are "happy to see the new government formed" with people from NI having a say!

I consider the views across the political spectrum that overwhelmingly do not consider the two state arrangement here as foreign countries to each other. This is reflected in the wording of our Constitution, our economic and social orders, our culture and heritage, and through cross-border political participation.
From the UK side, they even have a law that expressly refers to this State as "not a foreign country".

A United Ireland is aspirational and can mean many different things to many different people. I'd l like to see Ireland united politically and dissolution of the NI State. But as it stands, I accept matters as they are. But there is more than one way to achieve this . I think there is greater scope to forge closer economic and social ties between Ireland and Britain that, in time, will make NI effectively an irrelevance or a footnote in history - crucially, without as much a bullet fired.

 

[Purple]

Yes, that's true, but I was talking about NI being regarded as a foreign country across the political spectrum.
Joe and Josephine Public can think what s/he wants on any given day. One day it's "a big problem" having people from NI have a say in the formation of our government, a few days later, the same people are "happy to see the new government formed" with people from NI having a say!

If you are willfully misrepresenting their views you can certainly see things that way.
QUOTE="WolfeTone, post: 1668961, member: 108000"]
I consider the views across the political spectrum that overwhelmingly do not consider the two state arrangement here as foreign countries to each other. This is reflected in the wording of our Constitution, our economic and social orders, our culture and heritage, and through cross-border political participation.[/QUOTE] No it doesn't, unless you chose to willfully ignore reality.

From the UK side, they even have a law that expressly refers to this State as "not a foreign country".

I'm surprised that you are happy to see that the UK considers us not to be fully free, but rather still part of their country.

A United Ireland is aspirational and can mean many different things to many different people. I'd l like to see Ireland united politically and dissolution of the NI State. But as it stands, I accept matters as they are. But there is more than one way to achieve this . I think there is greater scope to forge closer economic and social ties between Ireland and Britain that, in time, will make NI effectively an irrelevance or a footnote in history - crucially, without as much a bullet fired.

Agreed. I hope this can happen and the parties who have opposed such a course do not get into power in this country as they are in the Uk's regional government in Northern Ireland.

In summary there is this country; Ireland, made up of historical 26 counties and there are other countries. Other countries, collectively, are foreign countries. Batswana is one of those countries, as is the Figi, as is the UK. We may both wish that part of the UK was instead part of Ireland but it isn't. Unless and until that changes Northern Ireland is part of a foreign country. Arguing otherwise on the basis of aspirational passages in our constitution is ridiculous.