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This article from indymedia makes very interesting reading.
Libertas: US Military Contractors against the EU
This debate is getting a bit repetitive. There is no doubt whatsoever that this Treaty would not pass 27 referenda, indeed it mightn't pass any of them.You know as well as I that the EU political elite are pushing their project through across Europe without popular support; this project would be rejected by many countries if the people weren't denied a say. How can democrats stand over this con?
Anything else would be impractical however a mandate to govern is non-transferable; It is not acceptable to pass decision making to a 3rd party, or at least not without specific sanction from the people.Am I a democrat? Yes if you mean parliamentary style politicians elected by universal adult suffrage with mandates to govern for periods of 4 or 5 years, without further recourse to the "people".
Given their record, I would be very reluctant to believe anything I read on indymedia, at least unless and until I read it in a more credible media source.
What's particularly interesting about this is that Ulick McEvaddy is the CEO of Omega Air, a US defence contractor (they supply cargo planes and inflight refuelling services to the US military).
Declan Ganley, president of Libertas, also happens to be president of Rivada Networks, a US defence contractor (they supply emergency communications networks to the US intelligence community).
I give indymedia just about the same credibility as most the stuff I read here on Letting Off Steam !
This is what indymedia has to say about Libertas and people associated with it.
Also by abstaining you are indirectly voting yes.
I give indymedia just about the same credibility as most the stuff I read here on Letting Off Steam !
This is what indymedia has to say about Libertas and people associated with it.
What's particularly interesting about this is that Ulick McEvaddy is the CEO of Omega Air, a US defence contractor (they supply cargo planes and inflight refuelling services to the US military).
Declan Ganley, president of Libertas, also happens to be president of Rivada Networks, a US defence contractor (they supply emergency communications networks to the US intelligence community).
Yes, right or wrong, and irrelevant.. . the occupations of the two Libertas-associated guys is easily checked - its either right or wrong ?
Those who would be absent on the day had the option for a postal vote however there was only short notice given ahead of the deadline (which has now passed) for registering.What about all the 3rd level students who are off on their J1 Visas around the 9th June ( I know 20 students who fly out that date) and won't get to vote. Will they be counted as having abstaining? Couldn't the date have being set a little earlier so that young people get a chance to use their vote.
Yes, right or wrong, and irrelevant.
The NO camp are an eclectic mix or disparate groups with little in common except their opposition to this treaty.
i am not left wing hippy or religious nut and i am voting no. there are good reasons for voting no. creeping privitisation of public services for one.
. there are good reasons for voting no. creeping privitisation of public services for one.
Yeah, those crazy naysayers, like before Nice they were making wild claims about, amongst other things, a flood of immigrants and the flight of manufacturing jobs.Some of the claims from the NO side have gone beyond misleading to pure lying (tax harmonisation, abortion, gay marriage etc). I can't believe some people are falling for it.
Ditto. I'm voting no despite my dislike for many on the NO side. I'm focusing on the treaty. To vote yes because of who's calling for a No is blinkered.i am not left wing hippy or religious nut and i am voting no.
Well, that's an indisputable fact. There is no good reason to hand over so many more policy areas to Brussels to be subject to QMV, and no good reason to dilute or current voting strength. And if the Yes camp think that the 'Charter of Fundamental Rights' is such a prize then there's no good reason why they can't, following a No to Lisbon, put it into Irish law where it can be interpreted by the Irish courts rather than the EU court.. . they say our weight will be diminshed if this treaty is passed . .
Exactly. There was a big increase in migrant workers. This was a massively positive thing from a social and economic perspective. There was no flood of immigrants.Yeah, those crazy naysayers, like before Nice they were making wild claims about, amongst other things, a flood of immigrants and the flight of manufacturing jobs.
What are you so afraid of michaelm? The No side harp on about losing our commissioner - what they forget to mention is that EVERY SINGLE country is losing a their commissioner for 5 out of every 15 years, not just us - so Germany, France and so on are going to have the exact same as us. As I said, Europe has been good for us since we joined - what evidence have you to suggest that suddenly it will be to our detriment? Why this paranoia that countries will gang up on little old Ireland - and also what evidence have you to suggest that our (already very small) current voting strength could do anything to prevent such a paranoid scenario in the current system if it were to happen? I find it amusing this fear people have that Lisbon is a treaty to get Ireland!!no good reason to dilute or current voting strength
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