The feud(s) in Limerick
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In other words, I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!!...especially 20 minutes after coming home from the pub
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Belfast used to be full of murder, intimidation, extortion, tribal violence etc. Yesterday we celebrated the 10 year anniversary of the ending of all that.
Brian Cowen has a great opportunity to emulate that success. He should appoint one of the Limerick gang leaders as Tanaiste. Get rid of your woman Harney and give health to another gang leader and then a few junior ministeries to the other gangs. And of course he should invite the gangs to have representatives overseeing the Gardai.
Brian Cowen has a great opportunity to emulate that success. He should appoint one of the Limerick gang leaders as Tanaiste. Get rid of your woman Harney and give health to another gang leader and then a few junior ministeries to the other gangs. And of course he should invite the gangs to have representatives overseeing the Gardai.
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This morning's BBC NI news
"Man treated for gun shots to legs"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/7341823.stm
Excellent.Undoubtedly the social issues have to be addressed, and with the redevelopment of parts of Limerick it is being addressed, but the punishment for breaking the law has to be applied as legislated for.
While we have overcrowded prisons and judges who ignore the law the problem will continue. So we either have to let more people out of prison or build more and we have to find a way to get judges to interpret the law as the legislature intended while maintaining in independence of the judiciary.
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What I meant to infer was that if this type of behaviour was nipped in the bud .............. ! When it was heading out of control ....... it could have been fronted. Now that it is out of control, and the media are having a field day ...... a few more pious platitudes from the local minister and yet another public relations job from the boys in blue. Now, if only you could have got them to display the same degree of enthusiasm in volunteering to patrol difficult areas as they do when they are volunteering for uniform duty at GAA/Soccer/Rugby matches, we might have started to get a grip on things.
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Taken from www.utvlive.com With things like this happening, surely the criminals have won.
A County Limerick gang which organised mob support through a website forced the cancellation of a football match last week due to fears of
violence.
Gardai were called to the game between Kilteely and Caherconlish last Thursday night after the referee expressed a view that it was unsafe to go ahead with the fixture.
A group calling themselves the Caherconlish Taliban allegedly posted a message on their webpage encouraging people to turn up at the Under 18`s match in Kilteely to cause trouble.
More than 20 young men, some armed with hurleys arrived at the football fixture and the intimidating atmosphere lead the referee to call off the game.
The teams did not leave the dressing rooms and the gardai were called but say the crowd had dispersed by the time they arrived.
A GAA spokesperson points out that the gang was made up of people who have nothing to do with Gaelic Games and said all the players were disappointed the game could not go ahead.
Local Councillors have expressed concern about the use of a social networking website to organise this type of troublemaking.
A County Limerick gang which organised mob support through a website forced the cancellation of a football match last week due to fears of
violence.
Gardai were called to the game between Kilteely and Caherconlish last Thursday night after the referee expressed a view that it was unsafe to go ahead with the fixture.
A group calling themselves the Caherconlish Taliban allegedly posted a message on their webpage encouraging people to turn up at the Under 18`s match in Kilteely to cause trouble.
More than 20 young men, some armed with hurleys arrived at the football fixture and the intimidating atmosphere lead the referee to call off the game.
The teams did not leave the dressing rooms and the gardai were called but say the crowd had dispersed by the time they arrived.
A GAA spokesperson points out that the gang was made up of people who have nothing to do with Gaelic Games and said all the players were disappointed the game could not go ahead.
Local Councillors have expressed concern about the use of a social networking website to organise this type of troublemaking.
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Some craic at Inchicore last night by all accounts - loads of cops at it. Daft to have it on so late.
Is this a ****-take?, how would something as minor as this make it on to UTV live - havent heard it locally even.
As a person who was brought up in Limk, it really annoys me when I hear about all the social deprivation that supposedly caused this situation. Of course it goes without saying that some kids get little chance in life. However the housing in those areas was good enough for lots of decent people who brought up good families and it had more green space and facilities than many nearby private estates. What has happened was allowed happen, by the then corporation, the Gardai and the system in general. Some of the schools in those areas are very well supported by the Dept of Ed and if fact have much more resources than more middle class schools.
However if the parents are allowed to get away with not sending kids to school what hope have the children? This is a major problem despite the big increase in school attendance officers.
Jail sentences for not sending children to school, curtailment of benefit and serious penalties for neglect of their children, in conjunction with support for those in need is one way to go.
The drug gangs are criminals and mandatory sentencing by the judges and confiscation by CAB of illegal assets is the only way forward. Remember it is not fashionable to say this but in my opinion it is true;there are families out there for whom crime is a career choice ,they belong to generations of criminals who think it is much easier to be a hard man in a gang and deal drugs than sit your backside down and work hard at school to get a job. Limk has had great employment over several years and great educational facilities for anyone wishing to better themselves. The poor people who are doing their best and trying to live beside these SC.....are the ones in need of our help.
However if the parents are allowed to get away with not sending kids to school what hope have the children? This is a major problem despite the big increase in school attendance officers.
Jail sentences for not sending children to school, curtailment of benefit and serious penalties for neglect of their children, in conjunction with support for those in need is one way to go.
The drug gangs are criminals and mandatory sentencing by the judges and confiscation by CAB of illegal assets is the only way forward. Remember it is not fashionable to say this but in my opinion it is true;there are families out there for whom crime is a career choice ,they belong to generations of criminals who think it is much easier to be a hard man in a gang and deal drugs than sit your backside down and work hard at school to get a job. Limk has had great employment over several years and great educational facilities for anyone wishing to better themselves. The poor people who are doing their best and trying to live beside these SC.....are the ones in need of our help.
Well said Brianne.
On one hand I think, well what are parents supposed to do with their kids who are out of control, but of course isn't it the case that this is a family business. The kids have no chance to have a normal life and by the time they get into all this they're scum. How do you break that cycle? Make the crime career choice less attractive by making things really bad for them while providing plenty of support for kids and other family members to go a different way.
I'm sure the cops now are working hard but I think that in the past, neglect and leaving these people to their own devices must have brought us to this point.
On one hand I think, well what are parents supposed to do with their kids who are out of control, but of course isn't it the case that this is a family business. The kids have no chance to have a normal life and by the time they get into all this they're scum. How do you break that cycle? Make the crime career choice less attractive by making things really bad for them while providing plenty of support for kids and other family members to go a different way.
I'm sure the cops now are working hard but I think that in the past, neglect and leaving these people to their own devices must have brought us to this point.
Well said Brianne (add me to the list)
When I hear parents say that their 14 year old is out of control I ask myself where those parents were when the kid was 5.
Good points annR.
When I hear parents say that their 14 year old is out of control I ask myself where those parents were when the kid was 5.
I'm also in agreement with your post Brianne.
The above quoted is particularly relevant I think - not because it's necessarily the most important point, but because it's so rarely said.
Good post. Friends visiting from slightly more affluent environs frequently express amazement about the amount of greenspace in my area. Now if only they could convince some of the locals not to use those spaces as rubbish tips ...
Indeed. I can already identify what kids are headed for a life of crime in my locality just by observing how little effort is put into their upbringing by their parents.
Just on a slightly differnet note, what are the non-limerick posters views on what Limerick is really like? If I wasn't living here from what I've read I wouldn't go within a mile of the place. It's sounds like a poverty ridden, criminal haven cesspit that needs the army to control its 'gangs'.
Believe it or not people are being murdered, drugs are being dealt and thugs are getting out of control right across the country. Limerick sounds great for the 'crime writers' and they make there money out of making an area look seedy and desperate, but the reality is different. If anything we are feeding the simple minded egos by describing them as 'crime godfathers' and the like
Believe it or not people are being murdered, drugs are being dealt and thugs are getting out of control right across the country. Limerick sounds great for the 'crime writers' and they make there money out of making an area look seedy and desperate, but the reality is different. If anything we are feeding the simple minded egos by describing them as 'crime godfathers' and the like
I haven't been in Limerick in years but I wouldn't think that's it's any different from any other big town.
My own view on this, as a current Limerick county resident, city worker & non Limerick countyman, is that Limericks image problem is twofold:
1) It doesnt have a counter balancing image - even if Galway was in mayhem everyone would say, "ok but theres still the craic, Shop Street & the rest", Cork - Peoples Republic vibe, good nightlife, big sports image, Dublin - capital city, the green & grafton st, big sports events & concerts, tourist hotbed ....... & the Limerick - crime and ................. jeez ........ oh yeah, rugby. So its not nationally known for enough good reasons to offset the bad bits.
2) The meeejah report everything as "Limerick", whereas in Dublin they dont say a scanger was shot in Dublin, they say he was shot in the Blanch, Ballyfermah, Ballybough, Darndale, Tallaght .... I could go on !!. So until they start reporting where crime happens in Limerick city and everyone in the country gets to know Southhill/O'Malley Park, Moyross, St. Mary's Park/The Island field .... again, sadly I could go on!, everyone will only hear "Limerick" repeatedly and understandably come to the conclusion that its an awful kip.
The downside is that you further stigmatise area, but F 'em, why should they drag the whole city down.