Two drunk people can have sex. That's not unusual.
Why would it be unusual? There are plenty of couples where both drink too much and shout at each other and have a generally destructive relationship dynamic.
Two drunk people can have sex. That's not unusual.I would be surprised.
How can you have sex if neither party consent?
Why would it be unusual? There are plenty of couples where both drink too much and shout at each other and have a generally destructive relationship dynamic.I'm really not getting 'many victims are also perpetrators' thing? Yes, there are cases where both parties will abuse each other, but that would seem like a fairly unusual and rare situation, rather than a 'many victims' thing.
Absolutely, two drunk people can have sex, but not if both are drunk beyond giving consent.Two drunk people can have sex. That's not unusual.
Why would it be unusual? There are plenty of couples where both drink too much and shout at each other and have a generally destructive relationship dynamic.
The human urge for and ability to have sex are pretty much indestructible. They persist long after other abilities (e.g. to make rational judgements & give informed consent) have vanished in a haze of dodgy substances.Absolutely, two drunk people can have sex, but not if both are drunk beyond giving consent.
That's the problem though, what constitutes "drunk beyond giving consent" is subjective. The victim can be awake and talking.Absolutely, two drunk people can have sex, but not if both are drunk beyond giving consent.
There is. The first step in these discussions is to define the parameters. What do we mean by "perpetrator", "Victim", and, most importantly, "Abuse".There's a difference between 'a generally destructive relationship' and 'many victims are perpetrators'.
It depends on how we define the above terms.It is a fairly extreme claim, with absolutely no evidence to support it.
I think the moral boundary here is between enthusiastic consent and reluctantly granted consent following inability to resist sustained persuasion.That's the problem though, what constitutes "drunk beyond giving consent" is subjective. The victim can be awake and talking.