Sit In at the Passport Office

Can the union or/and the government be sued for the loss of money people paid for flights /holidays etc?
Can the government be sued for not providing travel documents in a timely manner? Is it a right that citizens of Ireland should be issued passports?
 

I think in fairness they advised from an early stage that the 10 day turnaround could not be guaranteed. Not sure where those that were already in the system at the time might stand though.
 

It really is a different world, high up there in the Public Sector.
 
It really is a different world, high up there in the Public Sector.

Private Sector Unions have also used work to rule practises in the past.

It is legitimate industrial action and not simply confined to the current dispute.
 
It really is a different world, high up there in the Public Sector.

Really? I have a general vague contract without specifics and some operating procedures, but I know it doesn't actually specifiy 60% of what my job entails and that's a good "best practice" private sector employer. I can honestly say in all my years of work in the private sector, not one contract of employment and subsequent operating procedure has accurately or explicitly described my role.

This doesn't justify the action, but I don't think poor written contracts of employment is the sole preserve of the public sector.
 

Pedant moment: breech? The baby or trousers? Sorry.

If there were any cause for action it would be against the Passport Office, not the union. Who set up the express service? Did they introduce the systems to keep that promise? Or, did they just introduce it without any adjustment to terms and conditions of employment?
 

I've no idea if they introduced the correct systems and procedures, but you don't have to renegotiate employees T&Cs everytime you introduce a new process.
 
I've no idea if they introduced the correct systems and procedures, but you don't have to renegotiate employees T&Cs everytime you introduce a new process.

I know, but if there were no specifics in the contracts or operating procedures, then the employer is vulnerable to a WTR.
 
Why is it that custom and practice is accepted as de-facto part of an employee’s T&C’s when it comes to things that are of benefit to the employee (shift allowances, extra pay for bank holidays, top-up maternity pay etc) but custom and practice is not taken into account when it comes to things that employees don’t like (answering phones in hospitals and passport offices, doing yard supervision in schools etc)?

Why does it not cut both ways? If people have answered the phone as part of their job for the last 30 years how can they suddenly decide to stop doing it?
 
This doesn't justify the action, but I don't think poor written contracts of employment is the sole preserve of the public sector.

I don't think it's poorly written because it fails to mention that you're expected to answer your phone. That's just taking the **** and using official cover for it. I do lots of things in work that aren't in my contract, I don't think I'm doing my employer any favours, I'm just doing my job.


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Good question and I've no idea, I suspect because it hasn't been tested or raised within the Labour Courts. I don't agree with the situation, but employers do have to be aware that it could be seen that way.



I never mentioned answering the phones, but what cost just to list in duties "telephone services" or something? I agree the situation is pathetic when it comes down to that, but my point was that it isn't just the public sector that has vague contracts of employment. It isn't just the public sector that is vulnerable to a WTR.

Most of us go beyond the exact specifics of our contracts without a second thought and so have the PS/CS by the looks of it as the services ran for years without this role being specifically stated.
 
Private Sector Unions have also used work to rule practises in the past.

I am not sure they would get away with it now. Have the public service acknowledged yet that the private sector is suffering a lot more pain?

S.F.A Press Release:
48% of small businesses have decreased their total pay bill last year (average decrease of 19.74%).
43% have decreased their employee numbers
 

Personally, I don't look at my contract - I'm the guy that does his job. The employees of the passport office must be the other guys.
 
Personally, I don't look at my contract - I'm the guy that does his job. The employees of the passport office must be the other guys.

Good for you, personally I'm one of those who reads stuff before signing and still gets on with their job. To be overly repetitious: WTR on the basis of vague contracts of employment is not limited to the passport office, is not limited to the Public Sector.

That doesn't mean I condone or support the action.
 
Personally, I don't look at my contract - I'm the guy that does his job. The employees of the passport office must be the other guys.

How do you know you're doing your job, it you don't even know what's in your contract?