When it comes to Mayo, there are collection points for stuff near Newport and Ballina, both in the middle of nowhere. That is all. This not an option.Don't you also generally have council collection points in urban areas in close proximity to shops with longer opening hours?
'This' scheme is not. Some form of this scheme is.Re-turn into public ownership? Great idea!
The scheme is certainly suffering form teething problems. I noticed umpteen times machines being out of operations. In one shop I developed the habit of going straight into the managers office to point that out- just to get on his nerves.
As I said- this scheme is around for donkeys years in many countries- with and without kerbside collection.
Putting machines into council collection points? Good idea. But that would mean you need to pay people- aka council workers- who take care of those machines. And you need sheltered places to set up the machines- an open council yard won't do.
That headline is a little misleading, it's not bulk collection, it's a certain events/stadium, it simply means you put them into a central container rather than trying to get your deposit back and the charity gets the money:Charitable bulk collection is commencing https://www.barnardos.ie/return-your-bottles-and-cans-to-make-a-difference-to-a-childs-life/
It's not just about littering which is thankfully relatively rare. Many people just throw everything into the general waste bin which goes to landfill. This scheme aims to nudge them to return the bottles so they can be recycled.This whole scheme has been badly thought out. How many 1 litre or 2 litre plastic bottles litter our streets ? I dont believe I have ever seen even one and yet these are the volumes mainly used for home consumption. I'm OK with smaller plastic bottles (<=500ml) and cans being included in the scheme but large bottles ? Why ? Surely >90% were already going into the green bin and keeping the waste companies profitable.
Surely there is a better way to stop this happening than enforcing unnecessary environmentally damaging car trips on the the 90% of the compliant public not to mention higher waste collection charges etc. I think the green agenda people need to use their brains as in this case common sense is clearly devoid. I don't recall ever hearing a public service communication / advert campaign encouraging people not to throw 1 Litre and 2 Litre bottles into their black bins !It's not just about littering which is thankfully relatively rare. Many people just throw everything into the general waste bin which goes to landfill. This scheme aims to nudge them to return the bottles so they can be recycled.
How is that evidence? Do you have the meeting minutes where that was discussed?Further evidence the 'consultation' was no such thing.
Are you suggesting the majority of people are driving for the sole purpose of returning plastic bottles to a ReTurn point and then simply heading home again with the refund printout in their pockets?Surely there is a better way to stop this happening than enforcing unnecessary environmentally damaging car trips on the the 90% of the compliant public not to mention higher waste collection charges etc.
What's the point of a consultation, in which such feedback is disregarded?How is that evidence? Do you have the meeting minutes where that was discussed?
There are a multitude of reasons why that suggestion may have been disregarded. Your opinion is not proof that consultation didn't occur.What's the point of a consultation, in which such feedback is disregarded?
So yes it is evidence. It was a sham consultation,
No point in discussing this further with you or putting forward arguments as you're clearly evangelical on this and not open to other valid points of view.There are a multitude of reasons why that suggestion may have been disregarded. Your opinion is not proof that consultation didn't occur.
Repak's own submissions acknowledge that consideration was given to the hybrid model they favoured (it wasn't their suggestion), they went into detail on the elements they considered made it preferable.
Perhaps their failure on meeting prior targets meant there was little confidence they could make that model work?
It is more than opinion, it is a reasonable basis to assert it.There are a multitude of reasons why that suggestion may have been disregarded. Your opinion is not proof that consultation didn't occur.
Repak's own submissions acknowledge that consideration was given to the hybrid model they favoured (it wasn't their suggestion), they went into detail on the elements they considered made it preferable.
Perhaps their failure on meeting prior targets meant there was little confidence they could make that model work?
I've clearly said earlier that I don't like the scheme. Part of me here is playing devil's advocate and asking those who feel the scheme should be scrapped what they propose as a better solution, but mostly I acknowledge that the previous model was failing miserably and this model has proven to be highly successful in other countries, and that I'm not aware of an alternative model in use elsewhere that has solved the problem.No point in discussing this further with you or putting forward arguments as you're clearly evangelical on this and not open to other valid points of view.
How so? The fact that household collection costs would likely increase isn't a reason for the scheme not to proceed. What's the cost of the alternative? Other countries have managed. You're falling for the moaning of vested interests, many of whom were reporting very healthy increasing profits with no sign of passing on reductions to consumers.If it was a proper consultation, and the feedback gave were alerted to the impact this would have on existing refuse collection, and they disregarded it, that is unjustifiable.
I'm fairly sure come quarter 4 of this year the electorate will be waiting in the long grass only too keen to kick the greens into oblivion.I've clearly said earlier that I don't like the scheme. Part of me here is playing devil's advocate and asking those who feel the scheme should be scrapped what they propose as a better solution, but mostly I acknowledge that the previous model was failing miserably and this model has proven to be highly successful in other countries, and that I'm not aware of an alternative model in use elsewhere that has solved the problem.
I'd suggest there's no point in you contributing if you are seriously putting forward the position that everyone is driving to the collection points solely to drop off items then getting straight back in their cars and driving home!
I heard on Pat Kenny or Claire Byrne a company in Limerick have the contract to collect them.I saw a bin truck with the Return branding on, it looks like it is purely for the collection from the reverse vending machine locations.
Is it really the case that even more gas-guzzling highly polluting vehicles are required for this environment improvement initiative ??
I thought Tesco just put them in their green bin / landfill!I heard on Pat Kenny or Claire Byrne a company in Limerick have the contract to collect them.
How do you expect the cans and bottles to be collected if it isn't a big truck.
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