fidelcastro
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Thanks I agree 100%. Meanwhile Irish transport emissions have grown 150% since 1990, yet let's focus on wood burning stoves emissions to solve air pollution. Farce
Thanks I agree 100%. Meanwhile Irish transport emissions have grown 150% since 1990, yet let's focus on wood burning stoves emissions to solve air pollution. FarceFWIW the study most of the recent news is based on is here
Its based on evidence from Denmark and lab studies and the relevant detail on page 6
Basically a stove installed before about 5 years ago would have 150 pm2.5 g pollutant per GJ house heating compared to 0.6g for gas boiler. Oil boiler has 0.1g. Open fire would have 1367g, wood pellet boiler has 55g and heat pump 1g.
So yes, the reduction over an open fire is considerable - 150g rather than 1367g. And I'm hearing people taking what they are hearing in the press to mean that burning in an open fire is somehow "safer" which is clearly not true. And I presume don't know if this is controlled for fuel quality - Mickey burning the half dried bits of last years ash tree is clearly going to emit far more PM2.5 than a controlled fuel with under 20% moisture content.
All common sense.Interesting conversation.
Would anyone recommend using wood-burning stoves which now must conform to Ecodesign legislation (since Jan 2022)
Ecodesign
Ecodesign is due to come into effect on 1st January 2022 for woodburning and multifuel stoves. Read this article for for information.www.fireplacesireland.ie New standards for domestic solid fuels announced on International Clean Air Day
New standards for domestic solid fuels for next year announced on International Clean Air Daywww.gov.ie
Perhaps the greater farce here is that you don't seem to realise the solid fuel burning here is a much bigger source of PM 2.5, and that's only getting worse.Thanks I agree 100%. Meanwhile Irish transport emissions have grown 150% since 1990, yet let's focus on wood burning stoves emissions to solve air pollution. Farce
Well there is a risk, but there's also a risk in frying sausages in a pan with lots of oil and not opening a window or turning on (or perhaps not having) the extractor hood. From reading the study the European report is based on, its clear that burning anything in an open fire is far worse than using a wood fired stove. In any case there are two sets of risks: firstly the immediate risks to the residents in the home of the stove or open fire, and secondarily the air pollution to ALL caused by a fairly small group.I agree with you. I would also imagine that the big drop in smoking & drinking and general improvements in healthcare since 1990 would make it very hard to determine just the effect of the reduction in air pollution. That said, everyone old enough will remember how awful the smog was in Dublin at one time - far worse I would suggest than the output of a modern solid fuel stove burning dry wood?
I think I am coming to the conclusion that although it is a laudable goal to reduce air pollution in general and there is a measurable population level health impact, a properly operated wood burning stove probably does not represent any measurable health risk. Is that a naive opinion?
hold on, hold off your high horse, good for you to have the time.Perhaps the greater farce here is that you don't seem to realise the solid fuel burning here is a much bigger source of PM 2.5, and that's only getting worse.
EPA monitoring has shown that solid fuel burning is responsible for as much as 82% of fine particulate pollution in our towns.
If you don't understand the fundamentals of your own argument, why assume those who know better are on a high horse?hold on, hold off your high horse, good for you to have the time.
Again, you're wrong. The majority of heating in these towns is not open fires, it's primarily gas & oil with heat pumps an ever increasing heat source. Only 16% of Irish homes use solid fuels as the primary heat source, a quarter of them citing turf as their main fuel.The majority of the home heating sources in these towns are likely 20% efficient open hearth types , rather than 80% closed stove types, ergo switching to solid stove heating would be beneficial .
Seeing as you believed transport should have been of more concern here, that's for the best.I was referring to the source of the particulate matter, in the EPA report, if the source is wood /peat/coal then its most likely these originate from open fires, rather than multi fuel stoves.
As Tommy wrote to you earlier I'm out.
There is a risk but for the time being it seems to be be very difficult to quantify what the actual risk to health is - comparisons with packets of cigarettes just seem glib and unscientific. It is practical and sensible to take reasonable precautions like only using the right kind(s) of fuel and completely avoiding open fires (which in any case are very inefficient sources of heat of course) but until we understand the actual impact on health I think we should take the media reports with a grain of salt. I am not sure if I would go so far as saying that it is scaremongering, perhaps more accurately we are seeing the conflation of really dirty/risky heat sources with those that are cleaner and less risky. For me the jury is still out.Well there is a risk, but there's also a risk in frying sausages in a pan with lots of oil and not opening a window or turning on (or perhaps not having) the extractor hood. From reading the study the European report is based on, its clear that burning anything in an open fire is far worse than using a wood fired stove. In any case there are two sets of risks: firstly the immediate risks to the residents in the home of the stove or open fire, and secondarily the air pollution to ALL caused by a fairly small group.
In any case, given the politics around the turf collecting debacle, and the fact that a significant % of solid fuel users here are in lower income groups, I suspect the focus will be on limiting types of fuel that can be burned rather than banning the practice entirely. Much of the risk comes from burning wood not properly dried.
That's exactly what it is, indeed it is one day's work as they said they would come in morning and I'd have stove lighting by evening.I presume it’s an insert multi fuel type stove of around 7kw that you were quoted for. That price seems outlandish. It’s a days work to fit one. I would definitely shop around for further quotes.
Do those quotes include chimney lining?Got two quotes today for changing open fire to stove, well one of those inset things rather than an actual free standing stove, €3,350 and €3,550
YesDo those quotes include chimney lining?
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