Public Service Allowance Scandal

Deiseblue said:

I must say that I am somewhat taken aback by your continued reference to the phrase " Bearded Brethren " despite a previous promise not to do so - I thought better of you.

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You would definitely not want to hear what I call them then...frankly its borderline obscene and would offend both men and women of delicate sensibilities.

Knuttell said:

You would definitely not want to hear what I call them then...frankly its borderline obscene and would offend both men and women of delicate sensibilities.

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The difference being of course that you chose not to post what you call unions.

I have no problem entering into debate on union related issues on this site - I do however have difficulties with annoying , juvenile , derogatory ,incorrect & pejorative phrases.

I heard a union rep on the radio this morning and he made a few salient points about the public service allowances.

He said that these allowances exist in the private sector as well and cited rain coat allowances for hacks that have to stand out on the steps of Leinster House!

He said that many of these allowances were freely entered into by former governments and up held by labour court determinations over the years. He said that the reasons these allowances developed was because of pay relativities that used to exist and that the allowance was a way to pay extra to a certain category with out affecting the entire service.

Some allowances are pensionable and some are not. In the past some allowances were taxable and some were not. I think revenue have tightened up on this and all such allowances are taxable now. (I remember a telephone allowance for the on call foreman when I worked briefly in payroll in a private company).

In general when annual leave payments are being calculated they are based on basic pay and allowances are not included. Sick pay is calculated in the same way.

My own view is that these allowances are old fashioned and are indicative of endemic poor management.

We have all heard the crazy allowances over the last few weeks but does any one have a list with explanations as to what they mean (and what value they have)?

On a slightly lighter note I knew a guy who worked on relief staff in the Bank.

The Bank paid a set amount for accomodation , meals & petrol - to maximise savings this guy lived out of a tent during the summer months !

Deiseblue said:

To be fair Purple you have used the phrase again - you old " running dog of capitalism " - you !

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Did you eat something that disagreed with you between the above the below comments?

Deiseblue said:

Actually the more I think of it the less happy I am about the use of this phrase.

Presumably there should be no problem using phrases such as " overcharging leeches " with regard to such as doctors , lawyers etc or " chinless , corrupt , tax dodging small business owners " - after all they are simply pejorative , catch all phrases similar to that used by you - & I might say equally false.


I must say that I am somewhat taken aback by your continued reference to the phrase " Bearded Brethren " despite a previous promise not to do so - I thought better of you.

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Seriously though, no offense meant; apologies for any caused.
Please don't think better of me; I have a reputation to maintain!

There is a strong possibility that I may have imbibed rather unwisely between the time frame in question that may have had me feeling even rather thinner skinned than usual !

I trust that we can now resume our usual quite well mannered discussions.

Deiseblue said:

I trust that we can now resume our usual quite well mannered discussions.

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Lads, just get back on topic. Thanks

ajapale said:

I heard a union rep on the radio this morning and he made a few salient points about the public service allowances.
He said that many of these allowances were freely entered into by former governments and up held by labour court determinations over the years.....

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The labour court is 1 of the biggest jokes in this whole country. It's 'winning streak' with suits on

ajapale said:

We have all heard the crazy allowances over the last few weeks but does any one have a list with explanations as to what they mean (and what value they have)?

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The link I posted in post #6 on this thread has this information.

Thanks, here is the link from post #6.

Agriculture, Fisheries Food
Director of appeals unit allowance
IT Gratuity Allowance
Livestock allowance
Meat Inspection – BCC Allowance
Regional HEO Allowance
Rendering Allowance TAO
Special Edition Allowance
Pesticide Allowance
Shift Allowance at Airports
Shift Allowance at Ports
Special Investigation Unit Allowance
Farm Manager Assistant Farm Manager
Harbour Masters Housing Allowance
Harbour Masters On Call Allowance
Shift Allowance
Syncrolift Allowance
Vet and lab allowance business cases (5)
Teagasc
Teagasc Business Cases (37)
Marine Institute
Delegates Allowance
Sea Going Payment
Sea Fisheries Protection Authority
On call allowance
Roster allowance
Sunday Premium allowance
Attorney General’s Office
Acting Up Allowance
Attorney General Allowance
CO Programmer Allowance
Private Secretaries Allowance
Arts, Heritage Gaeltacht
Chester Beatty Library
Boxmaking Allowance
Overtime
CBL BC – Post & AV Allowance
Uniform Allowance
IMMA
Cleaning Supervisor Allowance
Higher Duty Allowance Exhibitions
Higher Duty Allowance Security
National Library
Early Late Allowance
on call allowance
Science Arts Attendant
National Museum
Camera allowance
Franking allowance
In charge allowance
IT Allowance
Machine allowance
Saturday allowance
Security allowance
Supervisory allowance
Telephonist allowance
Yard allowance
Communications, Energy & Natural Resources
Driving Allowance
Flying Managers Allowance
Flying Allowance
Keyholder Allowance
Sea Patrol Allowance
Inland Fisheries
Eating on Site
Office allowance
Unsocial Hrs & Special Allowance
Unsocial Hrs Allowance Angling Advisor
Civil Service
Footwear Allowance
Additional hours shift on call
Delegates Allowance
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/business-case-for-Directors-Allowance.pdf (Directors Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/business-case-for-Driving-Allowance.pdf (Driving Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/business-case-for-Forklift-Allowance.pdf (Forklift Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/business-case-for-Franking-Machine-Allowance.pdf (Franking Machine Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/business-case-for-Keyholder-Allowance.pdf (Keyholder Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/business-case-for-Machine-Duties-Allowance.pdf (Machine Duties Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/business-case-for-Nightwatchman-Allowance.pdf (Nightwatchman Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/business-case-for-Paperkeeper-Duties.pdf (Paperkeeper Duties Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-Case-for-Private-Secretary.pdf (Private Secretary Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/business-case-for-Services-Officer-Supervisory-Allowance.pdf (Services Officer Supervisory Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-Office-Accommodation-Allowance.pdf (Office Accommodation Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-Uniform-Allowance.pdf (Uniform Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-Cse-Uniform-Cleaning-Allowance.pdf (Uniform Cleaning Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Employee-Assistance-Officer-Allowance-Business-Case.pdf (Employee Assistance Officer Allowance)
Central Statistics Office
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/CSO-BC-Bus-Travel-Passenger-Card-Inquiry-Allowances.pdf (Bus, Travel & Passenger Card Inquiry Allowances)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/CSO-BC-Coordinator-Flexibility-Allowance.pdf (Coordinator Flexibility Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/CSO-BC-Extra-Duties-Allowance.pdf (Extra Duties Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/CSO-BC-Mobile-Phone-Allowance.pdf (Mobile Phone Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/CSO-BC-Pricing-Liaison-Allowance.pdf (Pricing Liaison Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/CSO-BC-Uniform-Allowance.pdf (Uniform Allowance)
Chief State Solicitor’s Office
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/CSSO-BC-Assistant-CSS.pdf (Assistant Chief State Solicitor Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/CSSO-BC-CO-Programmer.pdf (CO Programmer)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/CSSO-BC-Footwear.pdf (Footwear)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/CSSO-BC-Franking.pdf (Franking Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/CSSO-BC-On-Call.pdf (On-Call)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/CSSO-BC-Private-Secretary.pdf (Private Secretary)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/CSSO-BC-Special.pdf (Special)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/CSSO-BC-Tribunal.pdf (Tribunal Allowance)
Defence
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/1_BUSINESS-CASE_Aid-to-Civil-Authority-Allowance.pdf (Aid to Civil Authority Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/2_BUSINESS-CASE_Air-Traffic-Controller-Allowance.pdf (Air Traffic Controller Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/4_BUSINESS-CASE_Army-Ranger-Wing-Allowance.pdf (Army Ranger Wing Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/5_BUSINESS-CASE_Assistant-Stores-Controller-Allowance.pdf (Assistant Stores Controller Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/6_BUSINESS-CASE_Border-Duty-Allowance.pdf (Border Duty Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/7_BUSINESS-CASE_Brigade-Duty-Officers-Allowance.pdf (Brigade Duty Officers Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/8_BUSINESS-CASE-_Diving-Allowance-Annual.pdf (Diving Allowance Annual)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/10_BUSINESS-CASE_Diving-Allowance.pdf (Diving Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/11_BUSINESS-CASE_Allowance-for-editors-of-Connect-and-An-Cosantoir.pdf (Allowance for editors of Connect and An Cosantoir)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/12_BUSINESS-CASE_Election-Gratuity-Allowance.pdf (Election Gratuity Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/13_BUSINESS-CASE_Emergency-Medical-Officer-Allowance.pdf (Emergency Medical Officer Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/14_BUSINESS-CASE_Explosive-Ordnance-Disposal-Duty-Allowance.pdf (Explosive Ordnance Disposal Duty Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/15_BUSINESS-CASE_Fire-Protection-Pay.pdf (Fire Protection Pay)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/16_BUSINESS-CASE_-Fish-Monitoring-Centre-Allowance.pdf (Fish Monitoring Centre Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/17_BUSINESS-CASE_Flying-Pay.pdf (Flying Pay Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/18_BUSINESS-CASE_Foreign-Language-Proficiency-Allowance.pdf (Foreign Language Proficiency Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/19_20_BUSINESS-CASE_Health-and-Safety-Allowance.pdf (Health and Safety Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/21_BUSINESS-CASE_Incharge-allowance-Naval-Service.pdf (Incharge allowance, Naval Service)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/22_BUSINESS-CASE_Instructors-Allowance.pdf (Instructors Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/23_BUSINESS-CASE_Specialised-Instructors-Allowance.pdf (Specialised Instructors Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/24_BUSINESS-CASE_Integrated-Reserve-Allowance.pdf (Integrated Reserve Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/25_BUSINESS-CASE_Irish-Language-Teaching-Allowance.pdf (Irish Language Teaching Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/26_BUSINESS-CASE_Isolated-Post-Allowance.pdf (Isolated Post Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/27_BUSINESS-CASE_Leading-Instrumentalist-Allowance.pdf (Leading Instrumentalist Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/28_BUSINESS-CASE_Maintenance-of-Essential-Services-Allowance.pdf (Maintenance of Essential Services Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/29_BUSINESS-CASE_Mast-Riggers_Erectors-Allowance.pdf (Mast Riggers_Erectors Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/30_BUSINESS-CASE_Military-Service-Allowance.pdf (Military Service Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/31_BUSINESS-CASE_Naval-Pay-Allowance.pdf (Naval Pay Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/32_BUSINESS-CASE_NCO-Account-Holders-Allowance.pdf (NCO Account Holders Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/33_BUSINESS-CASE_NCO-Account-Holders-Alowance-Half-Rate.pdf (NCO Account Holders Alowance Half Rate)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/34_BUSINESS-CASE_NCO-Drivers-Reserve-Cadre-Allowance.pdf (NCO Drivers Reserve Cadre Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/35_BUSINESS-CASE_Patrol-Duty-Allowance.pdf (Patrol Duty Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/36_BUSINESS-CASE_Personnel-Support-Service-Allowance.pdf (Personnel Support Service Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/37_BUSINESS-CASE_Personnel-Support-Services-Allowance-Half-rate.pdf (Personnel Support Services Allowance Half rate)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/38_BUSINESS-CASE_Portlaoise-Hospital-Guard-On-Call-Allowance.pdf (Portlaoise Hospital Guard On Call Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/39_BUSINESS-CASE_Prison-Duty-Allowance.pdf (Prison Duty Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/40_BUSINESS-CASE_Search-and-Rescue-Allowance.pdf (Search and Rescue Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/41_BUSINESS-CASE_Security-Duty-Allowance.pdf (Security Duty Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/42_BUSINESS-CASE_Technical-Pay.pdf (Technical Pay Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/43_BUSINESS-CASE_Overseas-Armed-Peace-Support-Allowance.pdf (Overseas Armed Peace Support Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/44_BUSINESS-CASE_Overseas-Peace-Support-Allowance.pdf (Overseas Peace Support Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/45_BUSINESS-CASE_Change-of-Station-Allowance.pdf (Change of Station Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/46_BUSINESS-CASE-_-Delegates-Allowance.pdf (Delegates Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/47_BUSINESS-CASE_Civilian-Clothing-Allowance.pdf (Civilian Clothing Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/48_BUSINESS-CASE_Daily-Course-Allowance.pdf (Daily Course Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/49_BUSINESS-CASE_-Daily-Per-Diem-and-Holiday-Pay-Overseas-Missions.pdf (Daily Per Diem and Holiday Pay Overseas Missions Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/50_BUSINESS-CASE_Entertainment-Allowance.pdf (Entertainment Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/51_BUSINESS-CASE_RDF-Allowance.pdf (Reserve Defence Forces Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/52_BUSINESS-CASE_Initial-Uniform-Allowance.pdf (Initial Uniform Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/53_BUSINESS-CASE_Messing-Allowance.pdf (Messing Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/54_BUSINESS-CASE_-Mileage-Allowance.pdf (Mileage Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/55_BUSINESS-CASE_Overseas-Financial-Support-Package.pdf (Overseas Financial Support Package)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/56-_BUSINESS-CASE-_Principal-Military-Appointments-Entertainment-Allowance.pdf (Principal Military Appointments Entertainment Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/57_BUSINESS-CASE_-Ration-Allowance-Cadets.pdf (Ration Allowance Cadets)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/58_BUSINESS-CASE_-Special-Allowance-for-holders-of-certain-appointments-in-RDF.pdf (Special Allowance for holders of certain appointments in RDF)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/59_BUSINESS-CASE_Special-uniform-Allowance-Equitiation-School.pdf (Special uniform Allowance Equitiation School)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/60_BUSINESS-CASE_Subsistence-Allowance.pdf (Subsistence Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/61_BUSINESS-CASE_Underwear-and-Night-attire-allowance.pdf (Underwear and Night attire allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/62_BUSINESS-CASE_Uniform-Replenishment-Allowance.pdf (Uniform Replenishment Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/63_BUSINESS-CASE_Uniform-Allowance-Cadets.pdf (Uniform Allowance Cadets)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/64_BUSINESS-CASE_Childrens-allowance-AWOL.pdf (Children’s allowance AWOL)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/65_BUSINESS-CASE_Housekeepers-Allowance.pdf (Housekeepers Allowance)
Environment, Communications & Local Government
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/ECLG-Business-Cases.pdf (ECLG Business Cases)
Local Government
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Local-Gov-BC-Acting.pdf (Acting Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Local-Gov-BC-Dirty-Money1.pdf (Dirty Money allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Local-Gov-BC-Dual-Duties1.pdf (Dual Duties Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Local-Gov-BC-Eating-on-Site.pdf (Eating on Site Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Local-Gov-BC-Ice-Cast.pdf (Ice Case Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Local-Gov-BC-On-Call.pdf (On Call Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Local-Gov-BC-SFO-Rostered-On-Call.pdf (SFO Rostered On Call Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Local-Gov-BC-Tool-Allowance.pdf (Tool Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Local-Gov-BC-Unsocial-Hours.pdf (Local Gov BC – Unsocial Hours)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Local-Gov-BC-Water-Caretakers-WE-Allowance.pdf (Water Caretakers WE Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Local-Gov-BC-Water-Safety.pdf (Water Safety Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Local-Gov-BC-Winter-Maintenance.pdf (Winter Maintenance Allowance)
Education
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/DES-Allowances-Teachers-Business-Cases.pdf (Teachers Allowances)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/DES-Allowances-Universities-Business-Cases.pdf (Universities Allowances)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/DES-Allowances-VEC-IOT-Business-Cases.pdf (VEC – IOT Allowances)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/DES-Allowances-Supplementary-Business-Cases.pdf (Supplementary Allowances)
State Examination Commission
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/SEC-BC-Reproduction-Unit-Allowance.pdf (Reproduction Unit Allowance)
Foreign Affairs & Trade
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Chief-of-Protocol-Clothing-Allowance.pdf (Chief of Protocol Clothing Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Deputy-Director-of-Division.pdf (Deputy Director of Division Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Diplomatic-Duty-Officer.pdf (Diplomatic Duty Officer Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Foreign-Service-Allowances.pdf (Foreign Service Allowances)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Gratuity-for-Public-Holiday.pdf (Gratuity for Public Holiday Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/ICT-On-call.pdf (ICT On-call Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Meal-Allowance.pdf (Meal Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Passport-Office-Cork-Duty-Officer.pdf (Passport Office Cork Duty Officer Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Passport-Office-Dublin-Duty-Officer.pdf (Passport Office Dublin Duty Officer Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Perm-Rep-Brussels-Duty-Officer.pdf (Perm Rep Brussels Duty Officer Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Press-Officer.pdf (Press Officer Allowance)
Finance
Valuation Office
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/BC-Appeal-Officer-Valuation-Office.pdf (Appeal Officer -Valuation Office)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/BC-Team-Leader-Valuation-Office.pdf (Team Leader -Valuation Office)
Health
HSE
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Acting-Allowance-Business-Case.pdf (Acting Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Advanced-Paramedic-Business-Case1.pdf (Advanced Paramedic Business Case)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Assisted-Admission-Allowance-Business-Case.pdf (Assisted Admission Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Cardiac-Allowance-Business-Case.pdf (Cardiac Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Clinical-Directors-Allowance-Business-Case.pdf (Clinical Directors Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Consultants-Continuing-Medical-Education-Allowance.pdf (Consultants Continuing Medical Education Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Craftworkers-Tool-Allowance-Business-Case.pdf (Craftworkers Tool Allowance Business Case)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-GP-Trainee-Allowance-Business-Case.pdf (GP Trainee Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Island-Inducement-Allowance-Business-Case.pdf (Island Inducement Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Living-Out-Allowance-Business-Case.pdf (Living Out Allowance Business Case)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Location-Allowance-Business-Case.pdf (Location Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Mental-Health-Authorising-Officer-Allowance-Business-Case.pdf (HSE – Mental Health Authorising Officer Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Second-Opinion-Allowance-Business-Case.pdf (Second Opinion Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Sleep-In-Overnight-Allowance-Business-Case.pdf (Sleep-In Overnight Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Specialist-Qualification-Allowance-Business-Case.pdf (Specialist Qualification Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Forensic-Psychiatry-Out-of-Hours-Allowance.pdf (Forensic Psychiatry Out of Hours Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Student-Medical-Scientists-Allowance.pdf (HSE – Student Medical Scientists Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Secure_UnitHigh_SupportChild-Care-Services.pdf (Secure_Unit(High_Support),Child Care Services)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSE-Student-EHOs-Allowance.pdf (Student EHO’s Allowance)
Jobs, Enterprise & Innovation
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Industrial-Relations-Officer.pdf (Industrial Relations Officer)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Labour-Inspector-Allowance.pdf (Labour Inspector Allowance)
Enterprise Ireland
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Enterprise-Ireland-Cost-of-Living-Allowance.pdf (Cost of Living Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Enterprise-Ireland-Hardship-Allowance.pdf (Hardship Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Enterprise-Ireland-Local-Post-Allowance.pdf (Local Post Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Enterprise-Ireland-Overseas-Weekend-Allowance.pdf (Overseas Weekend Allowance)
Health & Safety Authority
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSA-Call-Out-Allowance.pdf (Call Out Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/HSA-Receptionist-Allowance.pdf (Receptionist Allowance)
Justice
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-cases-for-allowances-in-Justice-sector.pdf (Business cases for allowances in Justice sector)
Garda Síochána
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Garda-Pay-and-Allowances.pdf (Garda Pay and Allowances (54))
Irish Prison Service
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/IPS-Amalgamated-Allowances-Business-Cases.pdf (Amalgamated Allowances (32))I
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/IPS-BC-Doctors-on-call-Allowance.pdf (Doctors on call Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/IPS-Detailed-Duty-DG-AG-ACOD-ISC-Business-Case.pdf (Detailed Duty Allowances)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/IPS-Industrial-Man-Business-Case.pdf (Industrial Man Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/IPS-National-Head-Chaplain-Business-Case.pdf (National Head Chaplain Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/IPS-Work-Training-AIS-Business-Case-revised.pdf (Work Training (AIS) Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/IPS-Work-Training-IM-Business-Case.pdf (Work Training (IM) Allowance)
Oireachtas
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Oireachtas-BC-Extra-Attendance.pdf (Extra Attendance Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Oireachtas-BC-Senior-Usher.pdf (Senior Usher Allowance)
Office of Public Works
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/OPW-Business-Case-for-Special-Duty-M-E.pdf (Special Duty – M E)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/OPW-Business-Case-for-Committee-Allowance.pdf (Committee Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/OPW-Business-Case-for-Maintenance-Co-Ordinator.pdf (Maintenance Co-Ordinator Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/OPW-Business-Case-for-Special-Duty-District-Works-Managers.pdf (Special Duty – District Works Managers)
Revenue Commissioners
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Revenue-Business-Cases.pdf (Revenue Business Cases (6))
Social Protection
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/DSP-Business-Case-for-Call-Out-Availability-Allowance.pdf (Call Out Availability Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/DSP-Business-case-for-IS-Services-On-Call-Allowance.pdf (IS Services On Call Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/DSP-Business-case-for-SIU-Allowance.pdf (Special investigation Unit Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/DSP-Business-case-for-Assignment-to-GNIB-2.pdf (Assignment to GNIB Allowance)
State Industrials
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/State-Industrials-BC-Eating-on-Site.pdf (Eating on Site allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/State-Industrials-BC-Tool-Allowance1.pdf (Tool Allowance)
Taoiseach
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/D-Taoiseach-Business-Cases.pdf (Department of the Taoiseach Allowances (5))
Transport, Tourism & Sport
Air Accident Investigation Unit
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-On-call-Duty-Allowance-AAIU.pdf (On call Duty Allowance AAIU)
Fáilte Ireland
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/F%C3%A1ilte-Ireland-BC-Sunday-Premium-Allowance.pdf (Sunday Premium Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Failte-Ireland-BC-Sunday-Working.pdf (Sunday Working Allowance)
IRCG
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-IRCG-On-call-Availability-Allowance.pdf (On call Availability Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-IRCG-Radio-Officers-ROIII-and-ROII-Allowance.pdf (Radio Officers ROIII and ROII Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-IRCG-Shift-Allowance.pdf (Shift Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-IRCG-Station-Officer-Allowance.pdf (Station Officer Allowance)
Mercantile Marine Office
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-Superintendent-Allowance-MMO.pdf (Superintendent Allowance)
Marine Survey Office
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-Surveyor-in-Charge-Allowance-MSO.pdf (Surveyor-in-Charge Allowance MSO)
National Transport Authority
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-Taxi-Enforcement-Officers-Allowance-NTA.pdf (Taxi Enforcement Officers Allowance)
Railway Accident Information Unit
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-On-call-Allowance-RAIU.pdf (On call Allowance)
Road Safety Authority
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-Higher-Duty-Allowance-RSA.pdf (Higher Duty Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-Training-Allowance-RSA.pdf (Training Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-Training-Officer-Allowance-RSA.pdf (Training Officer Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-Atypical-Allowance-RSA.pdf (Atypical Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-Driver-Testers-Car-Allowance-RSA.pdf (Driver Testers Car Allowance RSA)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-Fixed-Car-Allowance-RSA.pdf (Fixed Car Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-RSA-Bus-Allowance.pdf (Bus Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-Transport-Officer-Allowance-RSA.pdf (Transport Officer Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-Vehicle-inspector-Allowance-RSA.pdf (Vehicle inspector Allowance RSA)
Railway Safety Commission
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-On-call-Allowance-RSC.pdf (On call Allowance)
Tourism Ireland
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-Directors-Travel-Allowance-Tourism-Ireland.pdf (Directors Travel Allowance)
http://per.gov.ie/wp-content/uploads/Business-case-for-Unsocial-Hours-Allowance-Tourism-Ireland.pdf (Unsocial Hours Allowance)

I don't wish to defend these crazy allowances which bad managers have allowed build up in the public service over the years. Personally, I have worked for many years in the both private sector and the public service and have never received any allowance of any type (no allowances, no overtime, no bonus).

Just a few points:
1)Some of these allowances are for very small amounts of money.
2)Some of these allowances are for very small numbers of employees.
3)Some of these allowances have a very compelling business case associated with them.

I would suggest that If you were top management in the public service you would choose the ground on which to fight the Public Service TU's. You would concentrate on the big ticket items that would deliver big results. (Large Scale Redundancies, Major Pay Cuts, Pension Cuts etc).

The TU's are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospects of bogging down the process fighting about with a multitude of often trivial payments to a tiny number of employees.

ajapale said:

I don't wish to defend these crazy allowances which bad managers have allowed build up in the public service over the years. Personally, I have worked for many years in the both private sector and the public service and have never received any allowance of any type (no allowances, no overtime, no bonus).

Just a few points:
1)Some of these allowances are for very small amounts of money.
2)Some of these allowances are for very small numbers of employees.
3)Some of these allowances have a very compelling business case associated with them.

I would suggest that If you were top management in the public service you would choose the ground on which to fight the Public Service TU's. You would concentrate on the big ticket items that would deliver big results. (Large Scale Redundancies, Major Pay Cuts, Pension Cuts etc).

The TU's are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospects of bogging down the process fighting about with a multitude of often trivial payments to a tiny number of employees.

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I totally agree. Its easy to have a snigger at Dirty Money Allowance (as I did) but the information from that link should have been presented properly in some kind of visual format where it is immediately obvious how much is being spent on how many people and highlighted cases that have a compelling business case. (not by you ajapale, on the site the link goes to)

ajapale said:

I don't wish to defend these crazy allowances which bad managers have allowed build up in the public service over the years. Personally, I have worked for many years in the both private sector and the public service and have never received any allowance of any type (no allowances, no overtime, no bonus).

Just a few points:
1)Some of these allowances are for very small amounts of money.
2)Some of these allowances are for very small numbers of employees.
3)Some of these allowances have a very compelling business case associated with them.

I would suggest that If you were top management in the public service you would choose the ground on which to fight the Public Service TU's. You would concentrate on the big ticket items that would deliver big results. (Large Scale Redundancies, Major Pay Cuts, Pension Cuts etc).

The TU's are rubbing their hands with glee at the prospects of bogging down the process fighting about with a multitude of often trivial payments to a tiny number of employees.

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What's this nonsense about fighting the Trade Unions - the Croke Park Agreement is in place - it's a mutually agreed process to deliver quantifiable savings which have been delivered according to the independent report body.

Any areas of dispute were to be referred to the Labour Court - that is what has been mutually agreed between employers & employees via their Unions.

It's not a question of some sort of battle - both parties signed up to the CPA & both seem determined to honour the Agreement.

Deiseblue said:

What's this nonsense about fighting the Trade Unions.

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OK so, engaging/negotiating with the trade unions.

If management is going to engage/negotiate with public service trade unions then management should carefully choose the the issues on which they want to win.

ajapale said:

OK so, engaging/negotiating with the trade unions.

If management is going to engage/negotiate with public service trade unions then management should carefully choose the the issues on which they want to win.

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I see no problem with that - however the areas you mentioned - pay cuts , pension cuts do not fall under the bailiwick of the Croke Park Agreement .

Large scale voluntary redundancies continue apace - apparently nearly 500 more teachers than originally envisaged applied for early retirement.


Currently therefore there is no engagement/negotiation due until the expiration of the current Agreement - any disputed areas will be referred to the Labour Court.

allowances

There is no point being outraged at the spuriousness of these allowances.
They are really part of total salary

It just points to the need for a benchmarking process to bench mark all our public sector salaries to european norms and abolish all but genuine allowances

This would also hugely simplify the administration of Pay and IT systems for payroll in the public sector

What are the chances of that happening ?

So much energy and time is being misppent in the approaches to public sector reform , there is not a reforming bone in this government

David Begg on radio this morning. He basically said that he was ok with removing allowances as long as the recipients got corresponding salary rises to compensate.

The head of Impact was quoted in the paper yesterday as saying he was surprised the government had not refered some of these to the Labour court in the same way that they had introduced changes to sick leave arrangments.
I find Brendan Howlin's behavior strange.

Does anyone know if all these allowances were subected to the pension levy and pay cut?

Teatime said:

David Begg on radio this morning. He basically said that he was ok with removing allowances as long as the recipients got corresponding salary rises to compensate.

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This is more of it. A management who tolerate a situation whereby allowances are allowed to be consider as part of the overall remuneration package.

Up to 2008, there were a number of 'windfalls' that I had come to rely on. Such as share dividends, performance bonus, salary increment, PRSI threshold. All of them disappeared in a relatively short space of time and I had to deal with it.

So I dealt with it.

Until we deal with the TD's allowances sham there will be no changes in the PS approach and who can blame. Imagine an allowance for turning up for work, in a word... disgraceful. And the media should highlight all the other scams our elected ...... get up to.

noah