Also a significant number of employees in the CS/PS work 24/7 e.g. Guards, Nurses, Doctors, Firemen, Ambulance drivers, Coast Guard and i for one don't expect them to work nights, weekends, bank holidays without being compensated for it
This is one new group of protesters that gets on my nerves.
How many of these employees work 24/7? They work continental shifts of 4 days on/off, 12 hours on/off. I used to be one of these 'frontline alliance' workers as well but I left to pursue other career options in the private sector. I worked a 40 hour week same as everyone else, and could work all the overtime I wanted. But it was MY choice to do so, and it was MY choice to do that particular job in the first place. One chooses one's own preofession so why don't they just get on with the job THEY have chosen and they are paid for like everyone else.
There are dangerous aspects to every job. Binmen, truck drivers, taxi drivers, bank officials, fishermen, farmers etc etc etc.
On the radio a few days ago a woman rang into a show arguing the case that child benefits shouldn't be cut. She then let slip that her husband was on 100K plus per year!!??
However, one mother said 'how can I give my children all that they want' if they reduce child benefit. Surely someone like that could afford a reduction.
this is where i get confused. My understanding is they are proposing to have the child benefit as means tested. There may well be some other general cut too, but i think they're just doing the figures on saving from means testing first.
so what's wrong with that?
my confusion is that the very same people who claim those on (joint) 100k can afford to pay considerably more tax each and every month, yet they can't afford to lose this benefit? Where's the logic or consistency in that?
This is where I get confused. My understanding is they are proposing to have the child benefit as means tested. There may well be some other general cut too, but I think they're just doing the figures on saving from means testing first.
So what's wrong with that?
My confusion is that the very same people who claim those on (joint) 100K can afford to pay considerably more tax each and every month, yet they can't afford to lose this benefit? Where's the logic or consistency in that?
Maybe she meant "need" instead of "want"?
By the same token, surely because they pay so much in tax that they should get something back?
Maybe means testing is the way to go.
This is one new group of protesters that gets on my nerves.
How many of these employees work 24/7? They work continental shifts of 4 days on/off, 12 hours on/off. I used to be one of these 'frontline alliance' workers as well but I left to pursue other career options in the private sector. I worked a 40 hour week same as everyone else, and could work all the overtime I wanted. But it was MY choice to do so, and it was MY choice to do that particular job in the first place. One chooses one's own preofession so why don't they just get on with the job THEY have chosen and they are paid for like everyone else.
There are dangerous aspects to every job. Binmen, truck drivers, taxi drivers, bank officials, fishermen, farmers etc etc etc.
I know I took one when I left a professional job in a consultancy firm to join the CS!
Restaurant and bars were having to pay Sunday double pay to staff resulting in many not doing food or opening on Sundays. I believe this is reversed or been reversed as it was not tenable to operate and make any profit.
Sunday is just a normal working day in the modern world.
If you do nights dont they work 4 on 4 off afterwards to compensate?
Say they did pay a premium for the grave yard shift on sats and suns, do you think it fair enough then to cut out overtime payment for the 8am to 7 pm hours on Sunday,? as like you say Sunday is just a normal working day in the modern world.
The easiest thing would be to roll back the most recent bench-marking increases until the 1.3bn is obtained. That way everyone in the PS is back to where they were 2 years ago I'd say.
As a civil servant, the pension levy introduced in the last budget has already put our wages back to two years ago and as one of the lower grades , I for one cannot afford anymore paycuts
... if they had cut the wages of the Public Sector our pensions would have had to come down too because they are linked to PS wages.
Thanks Fianna Fail for looking after all the big lads on big pensions.
I am quite sure that is why they did things as they did. The found a way to cut the pay of those still serving while leaving pensions untouched. Remember that it was done not too long after the grey power revolt on medical cards.
Most public service pensioners, like myself, are not "big lads on big pensions". I'm not complaining about what have, but I wish people would not distort discussion by focusing unduly on non-representative cases.
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