No, it's still a pay rise, but one which is below the rate of inflation.A "pay rise" less than the rate of inflation is a pay cut surely?
I disagree. Why do you think it's a good thing?Yes obviously a society where teachers cannot afford to buy a house is preferable to one where they can.
While it's very hard to measure that it's also very important to try.Will there be increases in productivity in the public sector to match the pay rise sought? (Because I haven’t seen much of that around lately!)
If they have the same misunderstanding of things they won't be. If they understand that a 7.5% increase in prices does not equate to a 7.5% pay rise then maybe they will. We don't produce petroleum or coffee or glass or clothes or plastics or TV's or Phones or most of the food we consume. You do get that most of that extra price is just extra cost, right?Purchases are somebody else's income.
So if the CPI is up 7.5%, then somebody's income is up 7.5%.
Some of the people receiving the higher incomes are energy exporting nations.
Others are hotel owners / restaurants / lots of different types of businesses.
(you see some small firms on AAM reporting bumper profits)
Corporate profits seem to be very strong.
Given this, I'm not sure that PS will be happy with a 1% pay rise, if other earners are getting 7.5% extra.
There is a big shortage of teachers, particularly substitute teachers at primary level. I agree that reducing the cost of housing would be preferable to pay rises chasing house prices.We have a sufficient supply of teachers. Doubling or trebling their pay so that they can afford a house would not be a good idea. I'd rather see housing getting cheaper.
What you are proposing is a massive deflationary depression. We nearly had one in 2008, but goverments and central banks decided to throw everything at preventing it and, largely, succeeded.I disagree. Why do you think it's a good thing?
We have a sufficient supply of teachers. Doubling or trebling their pay so that they can afford a house would not be a good idea. I'd rather see housing getting cheaper. That would involve a massive stock market crash and a corresponding reduction in the cost of capital items generally. We need to undo over a decade of QE.
This could go off on a tangent very quickly so I'll just make the point that saying that teachers salaries should be increased until they can afford a house is a really really really stupid idea. Highlighting housing affordability issues is a great idea but that solution is moronic.There is a big shortage of teachers, particularly substitute teachers at primary level. I agree that reducing the cost of housing would be preferable to pay rises chasing house prices.
All income = all expenditureIf they have the same misunderstanding of things they won't be. If they understand that a 7.5% increase in prices does not equate to a 7.5% pay rise then maybe they will. We don't produce petroleum or coffee or glass or clothes or plastics or TV's or Phones or most of the food we consume. You do get that most of that extra price is just extra cost, right?
Yes, but their pay might not have gone up, their profits and their pay may have decreased.All income = all expenditure
If costs go up, then somebody's income has gone up.
Yes, clearly, many of these people are abroad.
Based on my limited recent experience in my dealings with various sections of the public service, productivity is certainly down compared to pre-covid levels. My experience does not count for a lot but I’ve read the news reportage and heard the usual anecdotal stories which support my view.
Revenue staff are unavailable after 1:30pm.
The passport office is effectively uncontactable by phone or webchat (email contact is non-existent) and is engaging in inefficient practices leading to unnecessary delay.
The RTB has recently updated its website and processes but the customer experience is woeful (I’m waiting to hear back from them in relation to deactivating my account and linking it to my new one).
The LSRA complaints process is taking up to two years to deal with complaints, and sometimes longer.
Ditto with the FSPO.
Teachers have not been working at full tilt during the pandemic. Different schools worked at different paces (“home schooling” in my case was an email on a Friday night with lessons for the following week, whereas another school locally had sporadic online lessons for the children).
People with disabilities are suffering owing to the unavailability of therapeutic services.
Only today, I’ve read that Iarnrod Éireann have lost their catering contractor resulting in no catering on inter city lines.
The list goes on, and whilst I’m not blaming the workers, the reality is that the powers that be are currently presiding over systems that are inefficient, less productive than they could be and not always fit for purpose.
I think personally that the state blanket policy of allowing staff to work from home (and indeed insisting in some instances) has masked a drop in productivity across the entire civil and public service, and indeed the economy. However, nobody seems to be willing to do anything about it.
Hence my earlier comment concerning increased productivity.
Fair point. The new structures introduced during Covid that were built from scratch were generally excellent. The problem is changing existing structures were Unionised intransigence and bad work practices are engrained. The State Sector is certainly not alone in that.Didnt Social welfare and Revenue implement and handle that pandemic payment at the drop of a hat or should we ignore that
To Revenue’s credit, they did. That was during the pandemic and the subsidies were a crucial lifeline for many businesses adversely affected by the lockdowns eg the hospitality sector. Revenue staff will remain working from home until September when “hybrid” working arrangements will kick in i.e. working from home combined with office working arrangements.Didnt Social welfare and Revenue implement and handle that pandemic payment at the drop of a hat or should we ignore that
Yep Tommy, inflation chasing pay increases only results in more inflation and so the cycle starts againThe only solution to runaway inflation is unfortunately a decline in demand, ie living standards.
Based on my limited recent experience in my dealings with various sections of the public service, productivity is certainly down compared to pre-covid levels. My experience does not count for a lot but I’ve read the news reportage and heard the usual anecdotal stories which support my view.
Revenue staff are unavailable after 1:30pm.
The passport office is effectively uncontactable by phone or webchat (email contact is non-existent) and is engaging in inefficient practices leading to unnecessary delay.
The RTB has recently updated its website and processes but the customer experience is woeful (I’m waiting to hear back from them in relation to deactivating my account and linking it to my new one).
The LSRA complaints process is taking up to two years to deal with complaints, and sometimes longer.
Ditto with the FSPO.
Teachers have not been working at full tilt during the pandemic. Different schools worked at different paces (“home schooling” in my case was an email on a Friday night with lessons for the following week, whereas another school locally had sporadic online lessons for the children).
Political/resourcing decision. This was severe prior to Covid.People with disabilities are suffering owing to the unavailability of therapeutic services.
Only today, I’ve read that Iarnrod Éireann have lost their catering contractor resulting in no catering on inter city lines.
The list goes on, and whilst I’m not blaming the workers, the reality is that the powers that be are currently presiding over systems that are inefficient, less productive than they could be and not always fit for purpose.
I think personally that the state blanket policy of allowing staff to work from home (and indeed insisting in some instances) has masked a drop in productivity across the entire civil and public service, and indeed the economy. However, nobody seems to be willing to do anything about it.
Hence my earlier comment concerning increased productivity.
Michael McGrath , the Minister for Public Expenditure has confirmed that the Government will go beyond the terms of the current pay agreement albeit in a balanced way.No pay rises above 1%.
Anything else would cause a wage price spiral.
Get used to the real world of higher cost of living.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/amp/ire...000-people-waiting-for-passports-1299054.html.Not one post in this thread since January
Oh dear. This news could just tip Purple over the edge when he finds out.Michael McGrath , the Minister for Public Expenditure has confirmed that the Government will go beyond the terms of the current pay agreement albeit in a balanced way.
Any increase will , I would imagine , not match the inflation figure but thankfully nor will it be as low as 1%
The reason why there are delays up to eight weeks is that when you contact the passport office and they confirm that everything is in order, they will prioritise issuing you the passport. I know this because I was in the same boat last July. I posted about it in the thread I referenced.
Yeah, not sold. Maybe if it’s a money sucking activity. Try getting customer service from Eir, Vodafone, an Irish bank. I am literally waiting for a plumber to turn up at the house who has missed two earlier appointments! No reason, no apology.I used to be a Public Servant and we all know how it works. In many instances, what would take a week to do in the private sector can take months in the public sector.
I don’t know anything about the RTB but aren’t they registering 99.9% of all possible rental properties in the state at the pretty much the same time?I wish the public service employees well in the negotiations and undoubtedly a pay rise is warranted in many instances. I also wish I could get through to Revenue, the Passport Office, have my complaint dealt with efficiently by the LSRA, register my tenancy with RTB,
I submitted an application to the Passport Office in January and still await a passport renewal for my daughter. The application process in my instance has failed. I’m also not a clown. (Way to go with the overly general criticism and simplistic narrative there @Itchy!)The reason why there are so many applications in the system is that >50% of clowns (applicants) didn’t bother to meet the requirements. Hardly a civil service productivity issue.
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