Tadgh Beirne and Nick McCarthy didn't go to Blackrock then?
Tadgh Beirne and Nick McCarthy didn't go to Blackrock then?Better chance of playing for Munster if you attend Blackrock College, e.g. Carbery, Conway, Loughman
Tadgh Beirne and Nick McCarthy didn't go to Blackrock then?
In fairness why would you know about fee paying schools in Dublin?I must admit my rugby awareness of which schools our top players attended is scant.
I must admit my rugby awareness of which schools our top players attended is scant.
I'm sticking to my guns i.e. in Cork exam results are almost the same in fee paying and non fee paying secondary schools.
I agree. It's hard to pinpoint the exact reasons for this. I think it's a plethora of things that can be grouped as environmental - parents, school & peers.Of course, that does not mean that later the employment that is attained is on a par to each. I have to admit the fee paying students for whatever reason seem to be more successful getting into the coveted jobs.
Head and shoulders above the equivalent? In what way?Let's take the issue of some of the schools that Firefly wouldn't dream of using. I would argue that a top performing student there would be head and shoulders above the equivalent in fee paying schools in many ways, not just academia.
Agree 100%...fair play to those who do it the hard way, but as a parent, why risk it if you can avoid it?I can categorically say that they deserve any success they've earned. They've done it the hard way.
I'm glad you brought this up as it seems to be very important for a lot of schools & parents. Way too much so in my opinion.Just Some MoreThoughts:- Are all our secondary schools merely focused on exam results?
I know you're away Leper in the sun, but in case you didn't see this in the news it's really worth a read!!Do any of our schools prepare the student for the "real" world?
they deserve any success they've earned. They've done it the hard way.
Yes, particularly in more affluent areas.Just Some MoreThoughts:- Are all our secondary schools merely focused on exam results?
It would be useful if students were thought how to make a tax return, cooking and general dietary education and other practical life skills.Do any of our schools prepare the student for the "real" world? Is there enough focus on 3rd Level education in our secondary schools?
Yes, particularly in more affluent areas. Speaking as a Tradesperson I can say that educational snobbery in this country is remarkable and young people will be encouraged to do a useless degree in a subject the student has no real interest in rather than a Trade for which they may have an interest and an aptitude. The result is we generally get a lower calibre of student going into trades and, particularly in my area (engineering), a low calibre of tradesperson.Are trades dismissed by secondary schools?
The teachers may come from the same pool but in disadvantaged areas they have to deal with larger class sizes as well the difficulties kids from disadvantaged areas can typically face. The Deis program is trying to address some of these issues, but compared to going to a private school, a kid who does well coming from a disadvantaged area deserves more credit in my opinion.Any kid that does well in school deserves it no matter what school they went to. The teachers in both fee paying and non fee paying schools come from the same pool of teachers.
Yes, particularly in more affluent areas. Speaking as a Tradesperson I can say that educational snobbery in this country is remarkable and young people will be encouraged to do a useless degree in a subject the student has no real interest in rather than a Trade for which they may have an interest and an aptitude. The result is we generally get a lower calibre of student going into trades and, particularly in my area (engineering), a low calibre of tradesperson.
Thankfully countries such as Poland and Lithuania have excellent trade schools which have a high prestige and produce excellent tradespeople.
I agree, but they generally don't.No reason today that anyone going into a trade with their head screwed on couldn't do very well for themselves. I know someone well who went into a trade straight after school & retired in his 30s
DEIS schools have much more resources and smaller class sizes than private schools. The problem is that the parents generally have a lower educational level and so cannot help their kids as much with homework and there is no culture of educational attainment. Kids from poor rural backgrounds generally do far better educationally than their urban counterparts. That tells us that the problem is mainly cultural which makes it far harder to fix.The teachers may come from the same pool but in disadvantaged areas they have to deal with larger class sizes as well the difficulties kids from disadvantaged areas can typically face. The Deis program is trying to address some of these issues, but compared to going to a private school, a kid who does well coming from a disadvantaged area deserves more credit in my opinion.
Only for Secondary schools.All pupils (public or private) have their teachers salary paid by the state
I think there are 3 pieces to the puzzle....home, school & peers. The school will largely determine the peers, so if responsible parents who encourage education at home pick the right school, they really have the main bases covered. Of course, you can only bring a horse to water and if the kid has no interest whatsoever in school then it won't matter a jot...but at least as a parent can say you did your bit!It is less about the school and more about the domestic environment and whether it’s conducive to achievement.
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