Presidential Election

I’d expand on that a little; I’d say that there are few entrepreneurs who haven’t both succeeded and failed.

I don’t think Gallagher is anywhere near the calibre of Mary McAleese or Mary Robinson but he’s probably better than any of the alternatives. It’s a shame that after a general election where I didn’t want any party in power I now have to vote in a Presidential election where I don’t want any of the candidates to win.

Here’s my view of the choices:
Dana – Christian right, Socially Conservative anti-EU. Not credible as a candidate. No pluses.

McGuiness – Former(?) IRA, represents a party that didn’t recognise our government as legitimate until recently. Very strongly far Left. Internationally will be seen as a former terrorist who supports current terrorists. On the plus side does have a story to tell in being a key figure in the peace process.

Mitchell – Unremarkable political career. No charisma and no charm. Bland in the extreme but would be competent and wouldn’t cause any problems.

Davis – Seems to rub people the wrong way. Comes across as an opportunist. Hard to see the upside.

Norris – Way too many skeletons in the closet, way too many unanswered questions. A loose cannon who couldn’t help using the office as a vehicle to forward his own agenda. Has shown very bad judgement in the past. Internationally would be seen as strongly anti-Israeli and anti-American.

Higgins – probably one of the most intellectually gifted men Ireland has ever produced. He knows just about everything about everything and has experience in just about every facet of life... at least that’s what he seems to think himself. Comes across as smug and arrogant. Will be seen internationally as anti-American.
On the positive side he does understand what the job entails and he has the experience to do the job properly. I don’t see him being a career politician as being a bad thing. While I disagree with some of his views is it unquestionable that he has dedicated his life to public service.

Gallagher – No experience and no real track record. The talk of being a President for job creation is nonsense. The stories about his business history are not worth talking about. They may seem like issues for people who have never set up or run a business (i.e. Labour Party supporters) but taking out a directors loan and repaying it as soon as your accountant tells you that you shouldn’t have done it is no big deal. Getting grants to set up and/or expand a business is also not a crime. Some may see attempts to create jobs as a good thing.
He’ll probably not make a balls of things but he’ll hardly go down in the history books as one of the countries greats.
He’s in the lead because he’s a clean vote for FF supporters and floating voters dislike his less than any of the rest.
It’s amazing that he’s doing so well despite the best efforts of the Labour Parties pamphlet (the Irish Times) and their TV station (RTE), not to mention the Indo (FG’s newspaper).
I'd have to agree with a lot of that Purple. It's good to see some debate taking place here at last as up until now it has been a very low key build up to the election. Despite my earlier statements about SG I still haven't made my mind up who to vote for and ultimately it will probably come down to either him or MH. My concern with SG is the real lack of any track record in public service but that said, as Latrade has pointed out, the role of a President is much more a ceremonial one than anything else so that isn't such a big factor. I guess for me the question moreso is which of the two can make the role of President more relevant to us all by continuing to build on the work done by Mary McAleese. To be perfectly honest I'm really quite underwhelmed with the choice being put to us - it really is a matter of eliminating those you definitely don't want rather than choosing the person you really do want!
 
True, but he is in the Labour Party so it’s in the blood.

I don’t remember Michael D railing against the excesses of the Celtic Tiger and I do try to keep up with politics and current affairs. That, for me, means one of two things;
1. Michael D is not being entirely accurate in what he’s saying, gilding the Lilly as it were.

Or

2. Nobody’s that interested in what he says and so it’s not reported. Hardly a ringing endorsement of his charisma and leadership qualities.

3. Was the very definition of champagne socialist to begin with.
 
I agree it's a poor field but I think there are couple of things Sean Gallager has done that has made a connection with people.
When he got the support of the 4 county councils he informed the other councils that promised to support him that he did not need and thus made it easier for other independents to get in the field.
He also made a suggestion of sending one leaflet covering all candidates in the post rather than senidng seven. This could have saved 10 million euro.

I think these type of suggestions have made him come accross as practical and "non-politician", which is what a lot of the public want for the presidency.
 
Good point.
Does anyone know what Michael D’s stance was when Democratic Left took over the Labour Party?

I was being a tad OTT, but that's more because Michael D has a great record internationally and nationally for culture and peace. Probably the most "presidential" of the lot. But not a word of that, instead he's resorting to catty comments that make out that being in anyway in business over the last 20 years is bad.

And let's not forget, that people can originally be involved with FF but chose a different political route can't the MDH?

There's a pattern with two of the most popular candidates at the moment, in that these are the two who have had the most negative comments and stories against them.

It really was MDH's to lose if he'd have just focussed on his record and how that translates to being president. No other candidate comes close to that.
 
.. sending one leaflet .. rather than senidng seven .. could have saved 10 million euro.

That figure seems very high for postage. Was it ever validated ?

If, as the polls suggest, Sean Gallagher is to be our next President, I think history will view this period of time as being bedevilled by uncertainty and a struggle for meaning. His election will reflect that, and not his own qualities and record.
 
I agree it's a poor field but I think there are couple of things Sean Gallager has done that has made a connection with people.
When he got the support of the 4 county councils he informed the other councils that promised to support him that he did not need and thus made it easier for other independents to get in the field.
He also made a suggestion of sending one leaflet covering all candidates in the post rather than senidng seven. This could have saved 10 million euro.

I think these type of suggestions have made him come accross as practical and "non-politician", which is what a lot of the public want for the presidency.

I really think the negativity has had a massive effect on some neutrals, possibly the "failed business man attacks".
 
That figure seems very high for postage. Was it ever validated ?

They did discuss it on the Pat Kenny show one morning. From recollection, an election leaflet is sent to everyone that is entitled to vote. So if there are 4 people over 18 living a house, all 4 will receive a leaflet for each candidate.
I think a figure of 1.7 million people was mentioned, which multiplied by 7 equals 11.9 million leaflets. Postage is 55 cent so that would come in at 6.5 million euro to deliver. If only one leaflet was delivered, postage would be 1/7th of that at just under 1 million euro so a saving of 5.5 million euro.
I don't know how they got it to 10 million euro but they did tot it up on the day. Maybe it related to savings made on printing them?
 
I don't know how they got it to 10 million euro but they did tot it up on the day. Maybe it related to savings made on printing them?

Considering all such leaflets went direct from my postbox to my green bin, it's a waste.
 
I really think the negativity has had a massive effect on some neutrals, possibly the "failed business man attacks".

If every failed businessman (or failed businesswoman) in the country voted for him he's win hands down.
 
Maybe he will also now convince politicians that in this day and age of modern technology, sticking posters up on lamp posts is a total waste of time.
 
Thats another thing that probably struck a cord with people Liaconn.
Wouldn't it be nice to prove someone could be succesful in an election without plastering those posters all over the country.
 
Another thing about Gallagher is that he has really come across as someone who isn't interested in the whole mud-slinging aspect of politics and who obviously despaired at the way some of the debates turned into slanging matches, something which I, for one, am wholeheartedly sick off.
 
Another thing about Gallagher is that he has really come across as someone who isn't interested in the whole mud-slinging aspect of politics and who obviously despaired at the way some of the debates turned into slanging matches, something which I, for one, am wholeheartedly sick off.

That is why I hope that Gallagher wins. He is at least being positive.
 
Oh dear..did posters watch the debate on RTE with Pat Kenny?
Best view of the year for me..even worth the price of the licence!
It was unbelievable ,Im sure it will be up on the player soon
 
Did Gallagher manage to throw it all away at the last? Made me a little bit ill thinking that one of those people will be the next president.
 
Gallagher's Fianna Fáil connections are finally catching up with him. I think he blew it last night.

At last an election with a photo-finish.
 
Was like a wet cloth slapping me in the face watching that. Once McGuinness started on him he was a goner as nothing surer but that McGuinness would have sources with information!! Nice try SG but the sheen wore off big time last night!
 
Personally I thought it was a bit rich of McGuiness to be talking about Gallagher collecting envelopes given the amount of cash his cronies collected from the Northern Bank robbery a few years ago. Have to say it's not a very inspiring collection of candidates, but then again, FG did their very best to smear Mary Mc 14 years ago and she turned out ok.
 
That envelope business could hole him below the waterline, but given that none of them are inspiring I don't know who will gain. I'm not sure I'll bother voting for any of them.
 
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