Poppies/How to commemorate war dead?

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Its not divisive to most people around the world. Lets face it, only the bigots could find it objectionable that other people may remember millions of war dead. What opinion do the people who find it divisive and objectionable have on the Enniskillen Remberbrance day bombing ? Even the russians - then the cold war adversaries of the British - strongly condemned that atrocity. No divisiveness from them on poppies.
 

Selective history remebering is a skill which you hold in abundance.

Actually I think that you will find that most people in Ireland find the wearing of a poppy objectionable - and rightly so!

You might think the poppy represents somrthing else but actually you are wrong and havent a clue 1. what it actually stands for and 2. where the money goes.
 

Veterans of what Yorky??

Oh yeah the republican volunteers are so spineless that they give there lives for a noble cause with a nice little salary, army house, health scheme and a pension!!!

Also how was the republican cause supposed to fund their arming without smuggling etc - its nice and easy for the UVF/UDA and LVF they have the British Army and the British taxpayer to back them!!
Edited by Marion: intemperate personal attack removed. Please abide by the . How can anyone stand by the british army's involvement in Bloody Sunday - its the British army who are the murders so dont try and take the moral high ground - Loughall, Gibraltar, Derry, Lee Clegg - you disgust me
 
I said I wouldn't post again on this topic but reluctantly I have decided to. This topic started as a wearing poppy debate and all I know is that there are too many graveyards in France and Germany ( and other places) filled with young Irish, British, American, Canadian, French etc etc ( on the allied side alone) filled with young citizens of the above countries who never again saw their parents, wives, children, grandchildren, colour tv's, computers, man in space etc, so that me, and thousands like me, including propertyprof ( whether he likes it or not) could live in a free world. I agree with profertyprof on excesses by the brits, who doesn't? but there's the other side too - Gerry McCabe springs to mind fairly easily.
 
I always think of how Tom Creen, one of the greatest polar explorers who ever lived, has been ignored by Irish history because he was in the British Navy. I think that it is a shame that we have not properly commemorated the tens of thousands of Irish men that gave their lives in two world wars. Some of them went to fight for freedom, some of them went to fight so that their families could eat; it doesn't really matter why. What matters is that we have shamefully ignored them for so long.
Is the Poppy the right symbol to use? I don't know. I agree that it also symbolises those British solders that were sent to pacify the Irish. We should remember that many of the solders sent by the crown to crack heads in Africa and India were Irish and we were happy to do it…one third of Nelsons navy at the battle of Trafalgar were Irish.

We are certainly not in a position to occupy the moral high ground when talking about the British armed forces. I think our moral abdication at least balances the scales.

The issue is whether the poppy is an appropriate symbol to commemorate Irish war dead. Since many Irish man died in the American armed forces in the Second World War (and some in the first), some died in the Spanish civil war, some died on both sides of the Napoleonic wars and many died fighting the English in 1798 and before, I think that we should have our own symbol.
That doesn’t mean that we should not respect the wearing of the poppy and the sacrifice of the vast majority of those it remembers.
 
I'm in neither camp here, I'm not a Republican in the Sinn Fein sense of the word but I'm certainly not like Yorky either. One question Yorky, do you not think it's a bit absurd to suggest that the Provo's actions were completely outrageous and without cause and then in the same post suggest that poor old Lee Clegg was just a little upset because he was the target of the Provos? You're making out as if the Nationalist community had no reason whatsoever to mistrust British security forces.

Also you'd want to get off that high moral ground, you have no place on it when you think it'd be funny to see people getting killed on YouTube. Do you think American security forces having their heads chopped off while alive in Iraq is funny too, do you?
 

now we see the true colours! no further comment needed!
 
I have to say i disagreed with a lot of what Propertyprof had to say on this thread but Yorkys last comments sickened me.
 
ludermor said:
I have to say i disagreed with a lot of what Propertyprof had to say on this thread but Yorkys last comments sickened me.
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What Yorky says is the truth and the truth is sure to sometimes educate those who have been indoctrinated with republican propoganda over the years.
 
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