I really don't have a problem with the celebacy rule at all. All priests joining up today are adults and are aware of this term & condition!
Just listened to Sinead O Connor on netcast. She said some disturbing things about an encyclical, threatening victims with excommunication for talking about the abuse. Worth a listen but be prepared for a shock.
Dont you think that living an unnatural live of celibacy (unnatural in terms of the human animal we are), may lead to frustration and psychological problems? Are people with psychological problems really the ones you want telling you how to live your life from the pulpit?
She has letter in this morning's Indo about it.
http://www.independent.ie/opinion/l...diately-to-burn-down-the-vatican-2087994.html
...threatening victims with excommunication ...
If the Vatican, which obstructed justice and facilitated the rape of children for over half a century, is not parts of the problem then who is?
Bishop Brennan said that he did not want to burden others (the Vatican) with “this burden” as it is “our” responsibility. Who, exactly” is “our” in this context?
I understand your stance Firefly. But, lets say, if someone started a life-long trend of people going around with their eyes shut or packing cotton wool in both ears or bunging plugs up their nostrils etc - for the greater honour and glory of God, don't you think that it would warrant a visit to the shrink? How do we know what pleases someone that we are not really sure exists (in the way that has been portrayed). Kneeling down, singing instead of praying, saying rosaries, talking to the various saints, novenas that never fail (if you blow the candle out and promise publication!) and such mumbo jumbo. If it turns people on fine but they shouldn't allow themselves to get ripped off by the cute hoors that see an opening (the Church). The pure see in a pure way, thus allowing themselves to be putty in the hands of these con artists.I really don't have a problem with the celebacy rule at all. All priests joining up today are adults and are aware of this term & condition! ............
I have posted here before that I believe the actions of the Vatican in instructing Irish citizens to give primacy to the laws of a foreign power (Cannon Law) over Irish law and so obstruct the investigation of criminal acts and/or fail to report criminal acts amounts to sedition. Therefore I am of the opinion that the papal nuncio should be expelled, our ambassador to the Holy See (the Vatican) should be withdrawn and diplomatic relations with this hostile foreign power should be broken.
How dare they show such contempt for the sovereignty of this state.
As for donations to the “Rape Tax” that Mr Brennan is proposing; if devout Catholics see fit then they should do so but only after every single asset of the Roman catholic Church in Ireland has been sold and the proceeds spent.
I understand your stance Firefly. But, lets say, if someone started a life-long trend of people going around with their eyes shut or packing cotton wool in both ears or bunging plugs up their nostrils etc - for the greater honour and glory of God, don't you think that it would warrant a visit to the shrink? How do we know what pleases someone that we are not really sure exists (in the way that has been portrayed). Kneeling down, singing instead of praying, saying rosaries, talking to the various saints, novenas that never fail (if you blow the candle out and promise publication!) and such mumbo jumbo. If it turns people on fine but they shouldn't allow themselves to get ripped off by the cute hoors that see an opening (the Church). The pure see in a pure way, thus allowing themselves to be putty in the hands of these con artists.
Firefly, I was just, in a roundabout way, comparing unnatural acts ie, plugs in nostrils, cotton wool in ears and not opening ones eyes with another unnatural act - celibacy.I can see where you are coming from but I don't think you're comparing like for like...
One is an inner belief system which is (meant to be) practiced by all members of the 2nd largest global religion (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped.../20080701121225!World_religions_pie_chart.png) where the only action required is inaction.
As for the other...I've never seen anyone exhibit the traits you mention.
As for the mumbo jumbo - a lot of people actually believe this, or parts of it. I don't by the way.
I think that the issue of paedophilia in the Catholic Church is a result of an abuse of power, rather than an enforcement of celibacy.
Firefly, I was just, in a roundabout way, comparing unnatural acts ie, plugs in nostrils, cotton wool in ears and not opening ones eyes with another unnatural act - celibacy.
See your point
Mumbo jumbo? People believing in it? Some people believe in Voodoo, fairies, National Inquirer, and although it's their right to, doesn't make it any more credible.
I think the mumbo jumbo Catholic beliefs you mention are more credible though as the numbers who believe them are so high and they;ve been practiced for so long.
A men only, non marrying cult is, of course, a haven for all types of perverts. Especially same sex paedophiles.
+1 - but I don't think celibacy is the cause of paedophilia.
Was not having a go at your post, just went off on a little sidestreet.
Dont you think that living an unnatural live of celibacy (unnatural in terms of the human animal we are), may lead to frustration and psychological problems? Are people with psychological problems really the ones you want telling you how to live your life from the pulpit?
Firefly, I was just, in a roundabout way, comparing unnatural acts ie, plugs in nostrils, cotton wool in ears and not opening ones eyes with another unnatural act - celibacy.
Mumbo jumbo? People believing in it? Some people believe in Voodoo, fairies, National Inquirer, and although it's their right to, doesn't make it any more credible.
A men only, non marrying cult is, of course, a haven for all types of perverts. Especially same sex paedophiles.
Was not having a go at your post, just went off on a little sidestreet.
It amuses me that people who say that they do not believe in God are so continually vociferous when deriding others for holding a differing opinion.
I have never seen a proven link between celibacy and paedophilia. Its a stretch. Just because I might go a long period without sex does not make me want to abuse children or rape women.