OT rants about teachers, guards and other public servants

[Protocol]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

They get a long service increment every single year as soon as they hit the top of the scale?? I may be wrong, but that sounds very strange to me.

No, it's an increase in their gross, which they get each year onwards.

I think it's after 35 yrs for a teacher.

Say it's 2500.

That means you get 2,500 on top of the top point of the scale for each year after your 35th year of service.

 

[spursman]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

yes tlc i never said the public sector caused these problems.

but

their crazy wage increases were given as the economy was booming etc and now they have to hand them back.

 

[Deiseblue]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

deiseblue - yes bankers and developes have caused the pain but they also fed and fuelled the boom. it was the money the banks printed and handed out freely that led to the huge pay rises the public sector received through bench marking. the banking sector is now retrenching , credit has pulled back so now public sector pay has to go back to where it came from.

Not anything on the scale that Bankers paid themselves - Brian Goggin "earned " 3 million in 2008 , name me a Public Sector worker who earned a portion of that and you can rest assured that Bankers still rank amongst the highest earners in the State -no core pay cuts in the Banks indeed Bank of Ireland paid the first tranche of 3.5% under the National Wage Agreement towards 2016 and yes you are quite correct they did feed and fuel an unsustainable property boom and look at the country now !

 

[BeanPole]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

What extra do teachers get paid for supervising exams and correcting papers during the long holidays?

Do they still get days off in lieu for attending training and conferences during the long holidays?

How many "sick days" are they automatically entitled to?

How many permanent teaching staff each year are fired for poor performance?

 

[TLC]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

yes tlc i never said the public sector caused these problems.

but

their crazy wage increases were given as the economy was booming etc and now they have to hand them back.

Why should they give them back when the bankers & government appointees including ministers are still walking around with their golden parachutes? Let it start with them!

 

[Protocol]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

What extra do teachers get paid for supervising exams and correcting papers during the long holidays?

For State exams, approx. 200 for day 1 (the Tue before the exams start) plus 118 per day. Plus the usuual travel and subsistence expenses.

Do they still get days off in lieu for attending training and conferences during the long holidays?

Not sure about that.

How many "sick days" are they automatically entitled to?

How many permanent teaching staff each year are fired for poor performance?

None are fired, I'd say.

Some retire early under strand 1, 2 or 3. ("Mad", "bad" or "sad")

 

[BeanPole]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

Why should they give them back when the bankers & government appointees including ministers are still walking around with their golden parachutes? Let it start with them!

Agree completely that government ministers, as well teachers, civil servants and those on welfare should be subject to an immediate pay cut of at least 20%, and for those in emloyment we must introduce theactive removal of poor performers without any golden parachute, and the elimination of all golden DB pension schemes.

 

[gianni]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

tlc - i dont know if only one guard is doing this. my taxes pay his salary...

the guards are probably the worst in fairness
... hope they get hit hard in the budget

wretched people. totally useless individuals

With such strong views I'll go out on a limb and say you've only ever had negative experiences with the Gardai in the past ?

 

[gianni]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

Agree completely that government ministers, as well teachers, civil servants and those on welfare should be subject to an immediate pay cut of at least 20%, and for those in emloyment we must introduce theactive removal of poor performers without any golden parachute, and the elimination of all golden DB pension schemes.

Why not 30%?

or maybe 40%

some round number anyway....

 

[BeanPole]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

Why not 30%?

or maybe 40%

some round number anyway....

Hi gianni

I agree with you that they are massively overpaid and that a 20% cut should be the bare minimum.

I don't think its going to be good enough to apply a simple round figure though.

Some things, like the dole for people under 25 living at home, could be cut by 80% in order to encourage them to get out into the workforce but other payments may need less drastic action.

 

[BeanPole]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

Protocol said "For State exams, [teachers get paid] approx. 200 for day 1 (the Tue before the exams start) plus 118 per day."

This is a disgrace - supervision for State exams, and correcting papers, should form part of a every teachers standard duties.

Its a real cheek for some one on a guaranteed pension, complete job security, and up to €60k per year to look for incremental payments for works carried out during the 12 week Summer holiday, when private sector workers struggle by with 20 – 25 leave days per annum.

 

[chrisboy]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

Protocol said "For State exams, [teachers get paid] approx. 200 for day 1 (the Tue before the exams start) plus 118 per day."

This is a disgrace - supervision for State exams, and correcting papers, should form part of a every teachers standard duties.

Its a real cheek for some one on a guaranteed pension, complete job security, and up to €60k per year to look for incremental payments for works carried out during the 12 week Summer holiday, when private sector workers struggle by with 20 – 25 leave days per annum.

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Why dont you just become a teacher and enjoy their lifestyle?

 

[Complainer]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

when private sector workers struggle by with 20 – 25 leave days per annum.

Wrong - you'll have to push up that upper limit just a bit. Microsoft employers in Ireland are on 24 days, plus 1 day per year of service, up to a max of 5 service days, totalling 29 days. Like substantial parts of the private sector, they have had no salary cuts. They have had some job cuts, but this was really just taking advantage of the climate to cut some heads that they wanted to cut anyway.

 

[Sunny]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

Wrong - you'll have to push up that upper limit just a bit. Microsoft employers in Ireland are on 24 days, plus 1 day per year of service, up to a max of 5 service days, totalling 29 days. Like substantial parts of the private sector, they have had no salary cuts. They have had some job cuts, but this was really just taking advantage of the climate to cut some heads that they wanted to cut anyway.

Microsoft and other parts of the private sector aren't running a deficit of €400m a week.

 

[spursman]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

exactly sunny. if the irish branch of microsoft was losing 400 million a week it would have been bolted shut a long long time ago

 

[Deiseblue]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

Microsoft and other parts of the private sector aren't running a deficit of €400m a week.

Bankers however get a maximum of 30 days annual leave and are a major contributor to the fact that we are running this deficit !

 

[liaconn]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

Agree completely that government ministers, as well teachers, civil servants and those on welfare should be subject to an immediate pay cut of at least 20%, and for those in emloyment we must introduce theactive removal of poor performers without any golden parachute, and the elimination of all golden DB pension schemes.

Just interested in the analysis you used to decide on 20% across the board?

 

[Purple]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

Wrong - you'll have to push up that upper limit just a bit. Microsoft employers in Ireland are on 24 days, plus 1 day per year of service, up to a max of 5 service days, totalling 29 days. Like substantial parts of the private sector, they have had no salary cuts. They have had some job cuts, but this was really just taking advantage of the climate to cut some heads that they wanted to cut anyway.

Microsoft are a massive multinational with operations all over the world, including tens of thousands employer in China and other low cost economies. If we outsourced our low value add public sector functions to these countries then we could probably afford to offer the same sort of perks. Since, as you are well aware, if is at the lower end of the pay scale what public sector employees are most over paid.

Do you think that would be a good idea?

 

[VOR]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

They have had some job cuts, but this was really just taking advantage of the climate to cut some heads that they wanted to cut anyway.

So there's the answer. Cut jobs.

 

[Complainer]

Re: 10 things that dont make sense about the McCarthy Report.

you say that many people in the public sector do not earn massive money - thats correct but the public sector needs to be bench marked against the public sector in other comparable european countries, not against the private sectory

The slight flaw in your logic is that the Irish public sector employees are generally living in Ireland, paying Irish house prices, Irish car prices, Irish grocery prices etc. The public sector rates in other countries are pretty irrelevant.

wages in the private sector are supposed to be higher than the public sector, the perks in the private sector are supposed to be better than the public sector. the private sector should be the place of choice to work for irish people but its the opposite here, everyone wants a governement job.

people wanting to work in the private sector is what drives capitalism , the way we are going we may as well be a communist state.

people here seem to have a huge problem understand this fact. if people want to leave the private sector for a cushy job with a good pension in the public sector then they should have to take a massive pay cut

This is nonsense, and a recipe for disastrous public services. Why should private sector wages be higher than public? This drains the public sector of skilled staff. We need the ComReg guys to be a smart or smarter than the O2 guys and the BT guys. We need the Financial Regulator's staff to be as smart or smarter than the AIB staff and the BOI staff.

Microsoft and other parts of the private sector aren't running a deficit of €400m a week.

Perhaps you'd like to ask Beanpole why he brought up the comparison to private sector holiday entitlements then. I didn't bring up this issue - just pointed out the factual errors in Beanie's post.

But of course, we all know that the MSFT income figures in Ireladn and those of the other multinationals have little to do with business, and everything to do with transfer pricing that minimises their global tax liability.