Martin McGuinness RIP

Firefly said:
I was thinking about that last night and I agree. In any small to medium company for example, the top man/woman would be well aware of any new permanent hire for example, and with the IRA I would imagine any permanent killing would also have to get the nod from the top.
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Wasn't that a standard IRA "excuse" if someone went a bit too far?, it wasn't sanctioned by the IRA Army Council.
 
I see the Teashop is still banging on about how a customs border would endanger the "peace process". Make no mistake this danger, if it exists, comes from one side only. It seems that border customs checks were part of mopery.
 
Its his usual trope. Everything in Ni would be great if only the taigs would stop feeling sorry for themselves and buck up.

mopery = most oppressed people ever
 
Purple said:
I don't know what you mean Duke.
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Folk endure customs checks throughout the world. But it seems that to reintroduce the same in NI could be so upsetting to the Most Oppressed People Ever that they just might go back to blowing up Remembrance Day services.
 
Duke of Marmalade said:
Folk endure customs checks throughout the world. But it seems that to reintroduce the same in NI could be so upsetting to the Most Oppressed People Ever that they just might go back to blowing up Remembrance Day services.
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Yep, or shopping streets in Dublin and Monaghan.
I don't think the Unionists are the most oppressed people in the world though. The Nationalists were very oppressed when the Unionists ran things but since Her Majesty's Government took over direct rule things improved. I don't understand why Nationalists want devolved government at all; anything that keep Ms. Foster and her bigoted friends out of power is a good thing. The same for the Unionists; why let terrorists and murderers into power, though the Unionists did manage to sideline the Shinners almost completely so maybe that made it okay.
 
Didn't want to start another thread and thought this the best place to make my point. And my point is that only a most delicate flower like the MOPE could ever threaten the peace over the mere imposition of a customs border. Possibly Henda doesn't believe there is any serious threat but is using this as leverage to ensure the best chance for the continuation of an invisible (soft?) border. That must be it, fair enuff.

I agree that I never understood the enthusiasm of unionists in particular for a power sharing devolved solution. Might be simply professional politicians looking after their job prospects.
 
Duke of Marmalade said:
Folk endure customs checks throughout the world. But it seems that to reintroduce the same in NI could be so upsetting to the Most Oppressed People Ever that they just might go back to blowing up Remembrance Day services.
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Purple said:
Yep, or shopping streets in Dublin and Monaghan.
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Taken together these posts seem to suggest that the Dublin and Monaghan bombings were the work of republican paramilitaries.

Although no one has ever been convicted for these events, they would appear to have been a joint undertaking of the British Army led by Robert Nairac and the UVF.

There has never been any suggestion that republicans were involved.
 
Duke of Marmalade said:
Didn't want to start another thread and thought this the best place to make my point. And my point is that only a most delicate flower like the MOPE could ever threaten the peace over the mere imposition of a customs border. Possibly Henda doesn't believe there is any serious threat but is using this as leverage to ensure the best chance for the continuation of an invisible (soft?) border. That must be it, fair enuff.
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On the point of a customs border, it's my understanding that the customs border posts were erected not by HMG or by the Stormont Administration but by the Customs & Excise branch of the Revenue Commissioners on 1 April 1923. I think Sir Edward Carson made a speech in Stormont decrying this. The 'hard border' didn't initially come from the UK but from us, or rather our precursor, the Irish Free State.

Also there is no reason to believe the UK wishes to establish a 'hard border'. However, as an EU member state the EU rules on the management of external borders will apply to Ireland once the UK exits. These are provided for by art 67 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union, which provides for a common policy on external border control. So the 'hard border' isn't a UK issue; it's an EU issue and Ireland will presumably swing in with EU rules.
 
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cremeegg said:
Taken together these posts seem to suggest that the Dublin and Monaghan bombings were the work of republican paramilitaries.

Although no one has ever been convicted for these events, they would appear to have been a joint undertaking of the British Army led by Robert Nairac and the UVF.

There has never been any suggestion that republicans were involved.
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Good clarification and also my understanding of what happened.
 
cremeegg said:
The "Republic of Ireland" is the "Irish Free State", the name was changed in the 1940s but there was no resounding of the state.
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It was changed in 1937 when we enacted a new constitution. The Free State had the British king as head of state and a Governor General in residence representing the Crown. The Republic of Ireland is a Republic with an elected President as the head of State. They are very different things. We remained in the Commonwealth until 1948 when John A. Costello pulled us out, removing the last faint hope of a united Ireland.
 
The name "Republic of Ireland" was adopted under the Republic of Ireland Act in 1948.

Costello was in such a rush to adopt the name that he announced it from Canada.
 
The present constitution was adopted in 1937, it is unclear who was head of State between 1937 and 1948.

Google tells me that Foreign ambassadors were received by "The King of Ireland" a chap based in London called Windsor.
 
cremeegg said:
The present constitution was adopted in 1937, it is unclear who was head of State between 1937 and 1948.

Google tells me that Foreign ambassadors were received by "The King of Ireland" a chap based in London called Windsor.
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True, between 1937 and 1948 we were just called "Ireland" and while we had a President it was unclear he he or Georgie boy was head of State. As the Brits were bigger and more important other countries stuck with the status quo. We became a Republic in 1948 however we stopped being the Free State in 1937.
 
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